[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

I don't think that I have to choose between rotting tradition and Joel Osteen- As a matter of fact I was just thinking the other day when I heard the song, "Give me that old time religion", It's NOT good enough for me; I do not want religion; I want a relationship.

I do not want my children doing something because "they are supposed to" or because it will get them in the Pastor's good graces. I want transparency in my life and in my children's. It costs a person a lot to put up a front or a mask, to become a tombstone of the faith. While you are there to stay, you are also accomplishing nothing.

But let's all dance around, inflate our numbers and pretend that we have it all together. Let's spend our services singing songs about what WE are, and preaching messages about what WE aren't~ No thanks, you can have that Old Time Religion, Just give me Jesus.

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

I am so proud of you, Coadie

I am not really sure what one question has to with the other. I do witness, (in fact I spent a long time with a particular teenager last night who came to youth group and was having some anger issues) and I do respect my elders, but that is not what I am talking about.

Can you tell me how the most recent General Conference looked like the Church in Acts? Somewhere along the line someone started new traditions, but as long as we sit back and say "that is how God wants it" people think that by doing something different that they are out of the Will of God.
There are traditions that outlive their time, and when contiued to be followed, they rot. The UPCI was fresh in the 40's and 50's, and as long as there are a few people to tell others that God will send them to hell if they don't follow THE rules, then there will always be a few members left.

Do I believe that God still moves there, yes. Do I beleive that their method is good, not at all.

Originally Posted by coadie

Who calls it rotting?



Is it a cult also?

That would be me who called it rotting, for all of the reasons bolded above. I think it does have many of the hallmarks of a cult and I think that there are more than a couple of specific UPC churches that are a cult.