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Originally Posted by coksiw

"universal or available as a free gift" so the OT saints that got it deserved it?

No Old Testament saint got it, ever.

If you can't overcome sin unless the Spirit leads you, how is it that the Bible itself testifies that certain people were righteous before the Lord? How could they walk like that? How could people even repent and stay? How could the overcome after been practicing sin?

There are hardly any references to anyone in the OT depending on the Spirit's power to help them overcome sin.


If their experience regarding their attempt to walk in righteousness and holiness are "weaker" than ours, then we should see saints in our Churches with a lot more righteousness and holiness than Abraham, Sarah, Enoch, Noah, David, etc...

By God's estimation, the average NT saint does have something those men did not have.

Also, if that it is true, then the relevance for of of their narrative and poetry in those areas are questionable because our experience is different and therefore, the expectation both ways is different.

I think you are reading too much into the things they said.