Does God Create Liars?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Are liars born liars?
Are they made into liars?
Do they just lie because that is naturally within them?
Is lying taught or is it naturally occurring?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Are liars born liars?
Are they made into liars?
Do they just lie because that is naturally within them?
Is lying taught or is it naturally occurring?

Let God be true and every man a liar.
That includes you and me.

We lie because we are sinners.
Jesus never lied because he was not a sinner.

Jesus has been misunderstood in his words, but there is no place anywhere in the Bible where it can be shown that Jesus ever lied even once.

I have read some discussions where some idiot tries to tell us that Jesus lied about this or that.
The problem is not with Jesus or his words, the problem is with the brain of the idiot speaking.

Lying can not be taught, well except if you are a CIA Agent, but it comes from within.
There are professional liars (Like President Obozo) and amauter liars (Like Hellary Clinton)

[mfblume]

I think they're spiritually born after temptation... the devil is their father.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Let God be true and every man a liar.
That includes you and me.

We lie because we are sinners.
Jesus never lied because he was not a sinner.

Jesus has been misunderstood in his words, but there is no place anywhere in the Bible where it can be shown that Jesus ever lied even once.

I have read some discussions where some idiot tries to tell us that Jesus lied about this or that.
The problem is not with Jesus or his words, the problem is with the brain of the idiot speaking.

Lying can not be taught, well except if you are a CIA Agent, but it comes from within.
There are professional liars (Like President Obozo) and amauter liars (Like Hellary Clinton)

I disagree somewhat. Saints are not sinners. We're a different spiritual species altogether. The verse saying let all men be liars is speaking by contrast. God is that holy that compared to people all are liars. It's not saying all are liars by default.

I think this falls in the same category as people feeling we cannot live a Christian life without sinning. I seriously believe that is a conclusion drawn from a compelte misunderstanding of Romans 7.

My thoughts, anyway.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I think they're spiritually born after temptation... the devil is their father.

So human babies are not born sinners?

I am thinking of the scripture, "... born into sin, shaped by iniquity..." or maybe the writer was being poetic?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

So human babies are not born sinners?

I am thinking of the scripture, "... born into sin, shaped by iniquity..." or maybe the writer was being poetic?

You were talking about liars.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You were talking about liars.

So a person can be born a sinner, but not yet sin?

So the sin is in them, latent?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

So a person can be born a sinner, but not yet sin?

So the sin is in them, latent?

I'm just saying not everyone is a liar. That doesn't reflect on birth in sin. Adam made us sinners, not ourselves.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I'm just saying not everyone is a liar. That doesn't reflect on birth in sin. Adam made us sinners, not ourselves.

Sorry to disagree with you, but yes I do say that everyone is a liar.

maybe not everyone is a stubborn liar or a constant liar, but everyone, even you my dear bro Blume, you are also a liar.

you maybe a once in a blue moon liar, but you are still a liar.

I have never met one single person, male or female, lay or preacher who has not at one time told a lie. Maybe it was not a big lie, probably a tiny white lie, but still it was a lie.

I admit to being a once in a blue moon liar, which simply means that I rarely lie but I do still a lie, so technically I am a liar.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Sorry to disagree with you, but yes I do say that everyone is a liar.

maybe not everyone is a stubborn liar or a constant liar, but everyone, even you my dear bro Blume, you are also a liar.

you maybe a once in a blue moon liar, but you are still a liar.

I have never met one single person, male or female, lay or preacher who has not at one time told a lie. Maybe it was not a big lie, probably a tiny white lie, but still it was a lie.

I admit to being a once in a blue moon liar, which simply means that I rarely lie but I do still a lie, so technically I am a liar.

Whoa. We definitely disagree here fundamentally. That's all. Satan is the father of lies. Are we of the devil?

We're NEW creation.

1 John 2: 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You're lumping all of us in that. It's written in such a way that not all are liars. Otherwise it's redundant. It'll be like saying whoever draws cartoons is a human.