October/Halloween...

KWSS1976 · #1 10-09-2013, 07:03 AM

Hey Guys and Gals we are on a series in our church this month called "Supernatural" and we are talking about Angels and Demons this month,with this being October and the month of Halloween I though I would post our Sunday Services for you all to listen to if you want to. You can skip all the singing if you want and go to the 50 min. mark to listen to the service,if your church is talking about something similar post it if you can so others can hear..

http://www.livestream.com/theassembl...edium=ui-thumb

renee819 · #2 10-09-2013, 08:35 AM

KWSS, What a wonderful message. I loved the preaching. I don't care who preached it, it was good. And so true and timely.

A few days ago, my ggdaughter, age 5, mentioned Holloween.
I said, "Mammaw doesn't like Holloween. She asked why.
I told her, "It is the Devil's night."
She looked at me in shock. "Mammaw, you don't believe that there is a real Devil, do you?"
"Oh yes, honey, there is a real Devil."
"Aunt Sara, told me a story about the Grim Reaper, is that the Devil?"
"Well, the Devil likes to kill people, but he is more than that."

Soon, I plan on starting with Adam and Eve and tell her the whole story. I don't know what her mother, (my granddaughter) will say, but she loves me and I love her so I think we can work it out.

houston · #3 10-09-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by renee819

KWSS, What a wonderful message. I loved the preaching. I don't care who preached it, it was good. And so true and timely. A few days ago, my ggdaughter, age 5, mentioned Holloween. I said, "Mammaw doesn't like Holloween. She asked why. I told her, "It is the Devil's night." She looked at me in shock. "Mammaw, you don't believe that there is a real Devil, do you?" "Oh yes, honey, there is a real Devil." "Aunt Sara, told me a story about the Grim Reaper, is that the Devil?" "Well, the Devil likes to kill people, but he is more than that." Soon, I plan on starting with Adam and Eve and tell her the whole story. I don't know what her mother, (my granddaughter) will say, but she loves me and I love her so I think we can work it out.

you told a 5 year old child that the devil is real and he likes to kill people...

n david · #4 10-09-2013, 08:52 AM

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you told a 5 year old child that the devil is real and he likes to kill people...

My daughter is 4...if my parents ever did that while she was visiting them, they wouldn't see her for a while. Over the line and out of place, IMO.

navygoat1998 · #5 10-09-2013, 09:43 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JoJtHpVgNo

renee819 · #6 10-09-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

My daughter is 4...if my parents ever did that while she was visiting them, they wouldn't see her for a while. Over the line and out of place, IMO.

David, you're little girl doesn't know that there is a real Devil????

Does she think that Santa Clause is real? And the Easter bunny?

My little ggdaughter is super, super intelligent. I'm sure that she will understand what I am saying. I don't sugar coat things.

She was comparing the Devil to the grim reaper. How scary is the grim reaper? Was that a story a little girl should hear?

n david · #7 10-09-2013, 10:48 AM

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David, you're little girl doesn't know that there is a real Devil????

Does she think that Santa Clause is real? And the Easter bunny?

My little ggdaughter is super, super intelligent. I'm sure that she will understand what I am saying. I don't sugar coat things.

She was comparing the Devil to the grim reaper. How scary is the grim reaper? Was that a story a little girl should hear?

She does, but here's the thing, I told her. IMO it's the parents role and responsibility to discuss these things, not relatives or other people

I had to have a talk with my mother, because over a year ago she told my daughter (who wasn't even 3 at the time) that girls should only wear skirts or dresses.

It wasn't your place to discuss your beliefs on Halloween, and it wasn't my mother's place to discuss what my daughter should/shouldn't wear. That's the role and responsibility of the parents.

Margies3 · #8 10-09-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by renee819

KWSS, What a wonderful message. I loved the preaching. I don't care who preached it, it was good. And so true and timely.

A few days ago, my ggdaughter, age 5, mentioned Holloween.
I said, "Mammaw doesn't like Holloween. She asked why.
I told her, "It is the Devil's night."
She looked at me in shock. "Mammaw, you don't believe that there is a real Devil, do you?"
"Oh yes, honey, there is a real Devil."
"Aunt Sara, told me a story about the Grim Reaper, is that the Devil?"
"Well, the Devil likes to kill people, but he is more than that."

Soon, I plan on starting with Adam and Eve and tell her the whole story. I don't know what her mother, (my granddaughter) will say, but she loves me and I love her so I think we can work it out.

it sounds to me like the little girl started the conversation , so in that case I have no problem with what you told her. You gave her an honest answer to an honest question. As far as any further teaching, I do think you need to clear that with her mother first. Not because she shouldn't be taught. But because you don't ever want to close any doors with her mom. You also want to be able to reach HER

n david · #9 10-09-2013, 12:40 PM

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Yes, I agree. It is the role of the parent. However, the last time I tried to talk to my granddaughter, (the little girls mother) she sounded like she was an atheist. So am I to let my little ggdaughter grow up to be an atheist?

A little girl that watches everything I do? Asks me all kinds of questions and soaks up information like a sponge? Would rather help me cook and gather eggs than just about anything else they ask her if she wants to go or do.

I'm sorry, but I have to get the Word in her, and if they don't like it, they can tell me. And I will tell her the truth. Some things I will tell her, "maybe you can't understand that now, but when you get older you will."
When she get's older, I might not be here to tell her.

I know what you mean about getting after relatives for teaching wrong things. I got after my mother in law for telling my children scary things. But I can't imagine anyone, even my granddaughter not wanting me to tell her about Jesus. And as inquisitive as she is, I would have to tell the other side of the story also.

Go ahead, tell her about Jesus, but your views on Halloween, Christmas, Easter and the rest should be left to her parents. Tell her the Gospel story, that's fine. But leave the rest, and your opinion of it, out of the discussion.

It's not your place to tell her you don't like Halloween, and especially to tell her it's the devil's night.

I'd have been really upset if I wasn't in church and was planning on taking my daughter out to get candy on Halloween, only to have some family member tell her it's the devil's night.

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it sounds to me like the little girl started the conversation , so in that case I have no problem with what you told her. You gave her an honest answer to an honest question. As far as any further teaching, I do think you need to clear that with her mother first. Not because she shouldn't be taught. But because you don't ever want to close any doors with her mom. You also want to be able to reach HER

The girl mentioned Halloween, then was told her GG didn't like it. Of course the girl is going to ask why. IMO, that statement should have been left out. It doesn't matter whether she likes it or not. It's not her place to tell her. And it's especially not her place to talk about it being the devil's night and how the devil likes to kill people.

Esaias · #10 10-10-2013, 01:15 PM

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Go ahead, tell her about Jesus, but your views on Halloween, Christmas, Easter and the rest should be left to her parents. Tell her the Gospel story, that's fine. But leave the rest, and your opinion of it, out of the discussion.

My grandparents, who were not 'religious' by any stretch, had NO problem telling ANYONE what they thought. Little kids, grown adults, you name it. If they had an opinion, and felt you needed to know it, then you heard it.

I think we're blowing things out of proportion here... I've had to deal with 'grandma' telling my kids Halloween was just fine... they asked me, I explained things to them, and they learned that Grandma's opinions on religion are irrelevant. Not that I told them THAT, but over the years, studying scripture on their own, they all came to that same conclusion.

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It's not your place to tell her you don't like Halloween, and especially to tell her it's the devil's night.

I'd have been really upset if I wasn't in church and was planning on taking my daughter out to get candy on Halloween, only to have some family member tell her it's the devil's night.

Of course you'd be upset, just as if (in the same situation) some family member told your child they needed to be saved by the Lord Jesus or wind up in hell.

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The girl mentioned Halloween, then was told her GG didn't like it. Of course the girl is going to ask why. IMO, that statement should have been left out. It doesn't matter whether she likes it or not. It's not her place to tell her. And it's especially not her place to talk about it being the devil's night and how the devil likes to kill people.

Thankfully, none of my grandkids will ever do the Halloween thing, as all my children believe we should avoid pagan holy days.

IF, tho, one of my grandkids were to come visit and ASK ME what I thought about Halloween, I would have no problem telling them I didn't 'do' Halloween, because it's pagan and not of God. They'd get a history lesson (suitable for their age) from Samhain to All Hallow's, from druid to pope, from then to now.

Truth is applicable to all, the only difference age or person makes has to do with the method of delivery.