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05-03-2011, 02:18 PM
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DA No Longer an OP
Direct quote: "Since the initial evidence doctrine is used to define the nuanced difference between Pentecostals and Charismatics ... with the understanding they're under a similar umbrella ... I do not see myself as Pentecostal."
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"The Incarnation is a wonderful mystery ... I am as Oneness as I am Triunitarian ... and Trinitarian. These models seek to define an infinite and multi-dimensional God ..."
the slippery slope...
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05-03-2011, 02:20 PM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
Aside from DA's status, I know many charismatics that believe initial evidence of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues.
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05-03-2011, 02:23 PM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Aside from DA's status, I know many charismatics that believe initial evidence of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues.
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Almost all Pentecostals and Charismatics would say it is the initial evidence.
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05-03-2011, 02:23 PM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
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Almost all Pentecostals and Charismatics would say it is the initial evidence. Yet that is a different issue than whether one believes in Oneness.
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Exactly. It's not a ONENESS issue.
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05-09-2011, 12:51 AM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
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Aside from DA's status, I know many charismatics that believe initial evidence of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues.
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Then I would say they are Pentecostal, not Charismatic
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-09-2011, 08:39 AM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
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Then I would say they are Pentecostal, not Charismatic
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That would be correct.
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05-16-2011, 02:07 PM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
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Aside from DA's status, I know many charismatics that believe initial evidence of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues.
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True
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05-03-2011, 02:43 PM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
But the modern versions of Oneness are wittling away great truth so that soon one wont be able to tell much difference between Oneness and Trinity imo.
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05-09-2011, 12:54 AM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
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But the modern versions of Oneness are wittling away great truth so that soon one wont be able to tell much difference between Oneness and Trinity imo.
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That is so far from the truth brother you don't even realize it. Oneness has at it's core the view that God is One Person not Three. The so called "modern version" has in no way changed that nor the idea that Jesus is God. It simply seeks to clarify that Oneness sees a distinction between Father and Son. It's NOT a step in the direction of the Trinity
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-09-2011, 08:44 AM
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Re: DA No Longer an OP
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That is so far from the truth brother you don't even realize it. Oneness has at it's core the view that God is One Person not Three. The so called "modern version" has in no way changed that nor the idea that Jesus is God. It simply seeks to clarify that Oneness sees a distinction between Father and Son. It's NOT a step in the direction of the Trinity
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As Sabin would say it is not a matter of two but two what. To say there is a distinction is only begging the question of why type of distinction. In the end IMO most trinitarian theology no matter the screaming and yelling of no, creates multiple Gods. It is nothing but a hybrid form of Tritheism that says because of sharing one "........." it makes it not. Basically IMO that is nothing but a model to make it acceptable/palatable as some level monotheism.
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