Spiritual Hypnosis.... or A True Anointing??

[revrandy]

Talent....

Many folks are talented and have a product that people enjoy. There are story tellers, singers and artists that have a God Given Talent that can affect the people who listen to them.

Can folks supplament Talent for Anointing?


Music is powerful in peoples lives. Sing a Love song and it can stir the mind with feelings for each other. Sing a sad song and it can bring tears to the eye. Sing something strong and with a up tempo beat and the toe taps and the head nods. Any of which does NOT have to be gospel to affect us but can affect all by appealing to the human emotion side to respond.

Some folks have become natural teachers and use words to sway emotions. Powerful speeches move conventions and people follow these because they like what they are hearing. Some have great oratory abilities and have a gift motivating people by the words they use. Langauge, in itself, can appeal to the masses bringing home a message to just one out of millions and yet also effect the millions to.

How is it different when those who don't believe the Doctrine of the Word of God sing or teach about Him?

Is there a True Anointing or is it Spiritual Hypnosis?

Can folks hear somebody talented and obviously gifted by God and say that Person is Anointed when it's really just the Talent they have?

Does God Anoint those teaching or Singing that are following a False Doctrine and are promoting it?

If so why would God do that?


Is it just Spiritual Hypnosis meaning it's a masked untruth parading as truth fooling people into believing a lie by appealing to the their emotions?

or are these just stupid thoughts by a Oneness Apostolic who believes in the Oneness Doctrine with Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in unkown Tongues ramble???

[RevDWW]

Uh Oh.....you have opened a can of worms.........

Talent is not equal too nor does it imply anointing.

Anointing can rest on talented people.

Relationship with Jesus is everything. If I cast out devils in His name, or heal the sick in His name, or do any manner of good, talented things, but don't have a real relationship with Him he will say "Depart from Me I never know you". Notice Jesus tells them that He was sick, hungry, thirsty, naked, in prison and you did not care for Me. They asked when were you ever in those conditions? Jesus answered when you done it not to the least...........Seems they were in it for their own recognition.

[originalsecretplace]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Talent....

Many folks are talented and have a product that people enjoy. There are story tellers, singers and artists that have a God Given Talent that can affect the people who listen to them.

Can folks supplament Talent for Anointing?


Music is powerful in peoples lives. Sing a Love song and it can stir the mind with feelings for each other. Sing a sad song and it can bring tears to the eye. Sing something strong and with a up tempo beat and the toe taps and the head nods. Any of which does NOT have to be gospel to affect us but can affect all by appealing to the human emotion side to respond.

Some folks have become natural teachers and use words to sway emotions. Powerful speeches move conventions and people follow these because they like what they are saying. Some have great oratory abilities and have a gift motivate people by the words they use. Langauge in itself can appeal to the masses bringing home a message to just one out of millions. And yet also effect the millions to.

How is it different when those who don't believe the Doctrine of the Word of God sing or teach about Him?

Is there a True Anointing or is it Spiritual Hypnosis?

Can folks hear somebody talented and obviously gifted by God and say that Person is Anointed when it's really just the Talent they have?

Does God Anoint those teaching or Singing that are following a False Doctrine and are promoting it?

If so why would God do that?


Is it just Spiritual Hypnosis meaning it's a masked untruth parading as truth fooling people into believing a lie by appealing to the their emotions?

or are these just stupid thoughts by a Oneness Apostolic who believes in the Oneness Doctrine with Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in unkown Tongues ramble???

Is there scripture anywhere that comments on the anointing of musicians or others? I don't know is there is biblical support for a diffrerence between anointing and talent.

The only place I can think of in scritpture that people quote when commenting on talent versus anointing is when David played for Saul and the evil spirit departed from him for a time. But is that really anointing or do evil spirits just hate good music played by gifted/talented musicians?

P.S. The word of God is anointed and does not go out without completing a work (does not come back void). People are called and God equips them to do the work. Is that the same as annointing?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Talent....

Many folks are talented and have a product that people enjoy. There are story tellers, singers and artists that have a God Given Talent that can affect the people who listen to them.

Can folks supplament Talent for Anointing?


Music is powerful in peoples lives. Sing a Love song and it can stir the mind with feelings for each other. Sing a sad song and it can bring tears to the eye. Sing something strong and with a up tempo beat and the toe taps and the head nods. Any of which does NOT have to be gospel to affect us but can affect all by appealing to the human emotion side to respond.

Some folks have become natural teachers and use words to sway emotions. Powerful speeches move conventions and people follow these because they like what they are hearing. Some have great oratory abilities and have a gift motivating people by the words they use. Langauge, in itself, can appeal to the masses bringing home a message to just one out of millions and yet also effect the millions to.

How is it different when those who don't believe the Doctrine of the Word of God sing or teach about Him?

Is there a True Anointing or is it Spiritual Hypnosis?

Can folks hear somebody talented and obviously gifted by God and say that Person is Anointed when it's really just the Talent they have?

Does God Anoint those teaching or Singing that are following a False Doctrine and are promoting it?

If so why would God do that?


Is it just Spiritual Hypnosis meaning it's a masked untruth parading as truth fooling people into believing a lie by appealing to the their emotions?

or are these just stupid thoughts by a Oneness Apostolic who believes in the Oneness Doctrine with Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in unkown Tongues ramble???

Talent and skills are not anointing...if so then Hitler was anointed. I don't believe some of the stuff we hear about music and singers ushering us into the presence of God. It takes a church, not a few talented singers. When we realize we are all called as priests to make sacrifice of praise then we will have more power in our services and not merely more excitement

[Digging4Truth]

Much of what is deemed anointing today isn't much more than a talent to emotionally sway the people.

That would include preaching... singing... etc.

It was interesting to watch an expose' on Benny Hinn the other day on YouTube. They talked about the tried & true process that each service is. Emotional highs... emotional lulls... back to emotional highs...and people get caught up in the flow.

Talented people can move in the spirit. Talented people can be anointed.

But I wonder these days if, in the presence of some of our better talent, if we even need the spirit. I wonder if we could have a good ole shoutin' service without it?

If so....especially as a lead praise singer... that is scary beyond belief.

If you will permit me to do so I will take your question a little farther down this road with an analogy I have presented before.

I use preterism versus pre-trib doctrine for 2 reasons.

1. They are diametrically opposed to each other.
2. Both cannot be right. At least one of them is definitely wrong.

Take 2 churches this sunday. One preterist... one pre-trib.

In the preterist church the pastor preaches a sermon based on preterism. People run the aisles... people speak in tongues... people shout. WOW... what an anointed service.


In the pre-trib church the pastor preaches a sermon based on pre-trib. People run the aisles... people speak in tongues... people shout. WOW... what an anointed service.

In at least one of those services people spoke in tongues, shouted, ran the aisles and railed on how anointed the service was... and it was a lie.

Was God involved?

Was it all emotion?

If so... what hope do we have to tell which is which?

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Talent....

Many folks are talented and have a product that people enjoy. There are story tellers, singers and artists that have a God Given Talent that can affect the people who listen to them.

Can folks supplament Talent for Anointing?


Music is powerful in peoples lives. Sing a Love song and it can stir the mind with feelings for each other. Sing a sad song and it can bring tears to the eye. Sing something strong and with a up tempo beat and the toe taps and the head nods. Any of which does NOT have to be gospel to affect us but can affect all by appealing to the human emotion side to respond.

Some folks have become natural teachers and use words to sway emotions. Powerful speeches move conventions and people follow these because they like what they are hearing. Some have great oratory abilities and have a gift motivating people by the words they use. Langauge, in itself, can appeal to the masses bringing home a message to just one out of millions and yet also effect the millions to.

How is it different when those who don't believe the Doctrine of the Word of God sing or teach about Him?

Is there a True Anointing or is it Spiritual Hypnosis?

Can folks hear somebody talented and obviously gifted by God and say that Person is Anointed when it's really just the Talent they have?

Does God Anoint those teaching or Singing that are following a False Doctrine and are promoting it?

If so why would God do that?


Is it just Spiritual Hypnosis meaning it's a masked untruth parading as truth fooling people into believing a lie by appealing to the their emotions?

or are these just stupid thoughts by a Oneness Apostolic who believes in the Oneness Doctrine with Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in unkown Tongues ramble???

I read a book about the Latent Power of the Soul one time.I don't think I agree with the author on everything but I do agree that many rely on
themselves to help others when the care needs to be cast upon Jesus.
People try to become God to other people.Operating in the soulish realm
is dangerous and akin to witchcraft.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I read a book about the Latent Power of the Soul one time.I don't think I agree with the author on everything but I do agree that many rely on
themselves to help others when the care needs to be cast upon Jesus.
People try to become God to other people.Operating in the soulish realm
is dangerous and akin to witchcraft.

Or Idol worship....

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Talent....

Many folks are talented and have a product that people enjoy. There are story tellers, singers and artists that have a God Given Talent that can affect the people who listen to them.

Can folks supplament Talent for Anointing?


Music is powerful in peoples lives. Sing a Love song and it can stir the mind with feelings for each other. Sing a sad song and it can bring tears to the eye. Sing something strong and with a up tempo beat and the toe taps and the head nods. Any of which does NOT have to be gospel to affect us but can affect all by appealing to the human emotion side to respond.

Some folks have become natural teachers and use words to sway emotions. Powerful speeches move conventions and people follow these because they like what they are hearing. Some have great oratory abilities and have a gift motivating people by the words they use. Langauge, in itself, can appeal to the masses bringing home a message to just one out of millions and yet also effect the millions to.

How is it different when those who don't believe the Doctrine of the Word of God sing or teach about Him?

Is there a True Anointing or is it Spiritual Hypnosis?

Can folks hear somebody talented and obviously gifted by God and say that Person is Anointed when it's really just the Talent they have?

Does God Anoint those teaching or Singing that are following a False Doctrine and are promoting it?

If so why would God do that?


Is it just Spiritual Hypnosis meaning it's a masked untruth parading as truth fooling people into believing a lie by appealing to the their emotions?

or are these just stupid thoughts by a Oneness Apostolic who believes in the Oneness Doctrine with Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in unkown Tongues ramble???

ooooh boy. You are calling us to make a very very remarkable judgement of who is under the anointing and who is not.

You ask good questions though. If I were to expound to the best of my ability it might make the remaining 50% of Conservatives who aren't already out for my hyde, saddle up and join the posse.

[Trouvere]

Come on Carp my harpoon is ready to strike!!!

[Felicity]

Whenever this kind of subject is raised I remember the webcast of Bro. Urshan's funeral that I watched online on FCF with a number of other posters. Comments were being posted back and forth and we were laughing at this one or that for whatever reason. Different men were involved in speaking and giving eulogies. They all did fine.

But then this one black preacher (I forget his name) stood and walked to the pulpit. Stood there humbly and began to speak quietly and immediately you sensed a presence about this man. Suddenly ........ WHOOSH .... the presence of God could be felt so strongly and the whole congregation responded to the anointing that was present on that man's life and in what he was speaking. The presence of God was moving and people were responding ..... for the first time during that funeral service.

Then another man took over and killed it.

It's not hard to tell when real genuine authentic anointing is on a man if you're spiritually perceptive. It's also not hard to tell with it's just human anointing. People get excited and wound up in what they're speaking and that's okay. I'm not knocking that, but there's nothing like the real authentic anointing and moving of the Holy Ghost.