The Truth About Immigration

[Originalist]

Right now the USA welcomes about 2 MILLION legal immigrants to this country a year. The overwhelming majority are from Latin America and Asia. Of the Latin American granted visas each year, 70% are Mexican. Therefore, Mexicans are already disproportionately represented among visa recipients. In the name of JUSTICE, the illegals should not be given amnesty, at least as far as some path to citizenship is concerned. I've talked to dozens of illegals and I've yet to find one who truly loves the USA and wants to become part of the family. They just want to make a better living for their families. Sadly, I've also talked to DOZENS of children of illegals who were born here and 99% of them PROUDLY admit that they have never considered themselves to be American, but think of themselves as MEXICANS. The irony is, some have never once stepped foot on Mexican soil. Why would I want these people to vote in our elections? I challenge ANYONE to tell me why someone who is not ready to completely renounce allegiance to their country of origin should be allowed to become a citizen of our great and exceptional country.

Obviously we can never deport 15 million people ,nor am I saying we should. We need a true "common sense" Approach. First, create a true work visa program with the following points......

1) Create a status for those who just want to work but want to remain loyal to their country of origin. In other words, distinguish these from people who truly are immigrating here because of a desire to become Americans.

2) Require those who employ them to pay a 10% immigrant tax on each guest worker employed.

3) Guest workers will enjoy the same freedoms citizens enjoy such as owning property, freedom to leave the country and return, the right to own property and own businesses,etc.

4) Guest workers will never be eligible for citizenship as long as they retain this status. To be a citizen they would have to leave the country and apply for permanent immigrant status.

5) This will be a "stand alone program". No applying for family members to come (such as grown children, brothers, parents,etc) Married men would be allowed to bring their wives and any unmarried children under 18 years of age. Children of guest workers would not be citizens at birth (no "anchor babies"). When a child of a guest worker turns 20, he must apply for his or her self for worker status or face deportation. If he is granted worker status and later marries, his children will not be granted citizenship at birth, nor his grandchildren, etc.

6) Workers will be responsible for their own healthcare and welfare. All current treatment laws would apply to them, but there would be no government help in any way.

This plan is not perfect, but it beats anything I've seen either party come up with so far.

[Praxeas]

I believe that disproportion us very unfair to the rest of the world and unbalances the idea of America being the melting pot of the world's cultures

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I believe that disproportion us very unfair to the rest of the world and unbalances the idea of America being the melting pot of the world's cultures

Explain a little further please.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Explain a little further please.

Explain why it's unfair to people who want to come here from the Philipines that most visas are from South America?

Or explain why having a large majority from one culture unbalances the idea of a melting pot?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Explain why it's unfair to people who want to come here from the Philipines that most visas are from South America?

Or explain why having a large majority from one culture unbalances the idea of a melting pot?

That was not my point. My point is this. Mexicans are whining about how "unjust" and "discriminatory" our immigration laws are, when in reality, the discrimination has been in their FAVOR, for both legal AND illegal Mexican immigrants. They already receive the majority of visas, and nothing is done to stop millions more from coming here illegally. That is discrimination in their favor, yet they continually label us "anti-Hispanic".

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Originalist

That was not my point. My point is this. Mexicans are whining about how "unjust" and "discriminatory" our immigration laws are, when in reality, the discrimination has been in their FAVOR, for both legal AND illegal Mexican immigrants. They already receive the majority of visas, and nothing is done to stop millions more from coming here illegally. That is discrimination in their favor, yet they continually label us "anti-Hispanic".

It was my point, that it is unfair.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Right now the USA welcomes about 2 MILLION legal immigrants to this country a year. The overwhelming majority are from Latin America and Asia. Of the Latin American granted visas each year, 70% are Mexican. Therefore, Mexicans are already disproportionately represented among visa recipients. In the name of JUSTICE, the illegals should not be given amnesty, at least as far as some path to citizenship is concerned. I've talked to dozens of illegals and I've yet to find one who truly loves the USA and wants to become part of the family. They just want to make a better living for their families. Sadly, I've also talked to DOZENS of children of illegals who were born here and 99% of them PROUDLY admit that they have never considered themselves to be American, but think of themselves as MEXICANS. The irony is, some have never once stepped foot on Mexican soil. Why would I want these people to vote in our elections? I challenge ANYONE to tell me why someone who is not ready to completely renounce allegiance to their country of origin should be allowed to become a citizen of our great and exceptional country.

Obviously we can never deport 15 million people ,nor am I saying we should. We need a true "common sense" Approach. First, create a true work visa program with the following points......

1) Create a status for those who just want to work but want to remain loyal to their country of origin. In other words, distinguish these from people who truly are immigrating here because of a desire to become Americans.

2) Require those who employ them to pay a 10% immigrant tax on each guest worker employed.

3) Guest workers will enjoy the same freedoms citizens enjoy such as owning property, freedom to leave the country and return, the right to own property and own businesses,etc.

4) Guest workers will never be eligible for citizenship as long as they retain this status. To be a citizen they would have to leave the country and apply for permanent immigrant status.

5) This will be a "stand alone program". No applying for family members to come (such as grown children, brothers, parents,etc) Married men would be allowed to bring their wives and any unmarried children under 18 years of age. Children of guest workers would not be citizens at birth (no "anchor babies"). When a child of a guest worker turns 20, he must apply for his or her self for worker status or face deportation. If he is granted worker status and later marries, his children will not be granted citizenship at birth, nor his grandchildren, etc.

6) Workers will be responsible for their own healthcare and welfare. All current treatment laws would apply to them, but there would be no government help in any way.

This plan is not perfect, but it beats anything I've seen either party come up with so far.

I could live with that.

[shag]

Where do u guys stand on mostly illegal Hispanics having their own "church" services within a (larger) local church? Where I attend, it is that way, the Hispanic pastor is legal, but many/most of the others hispanics are illegal. A few times, the men hispanics have married the American women in the church, have children, then got in trouble or whatever and got shipped back. Then the wife and children are "burned for playing with fire", and travel back and forth or whatever. One family divorced because of it.
I have unvoiced issues with it.


I was temporarily working in Chicago about 15 years ago, and we mentioned all the foreigners, mostly Hispanics tho, there to the forklift driver, and he said their goal was to take over our country thru reproducing with our american women, and if they were not willing to let them, they would do so via rape if thàts what it took. No lie. My co-worker almost beat the dog poop outa that guy.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by shag

Where do u guys stand on mostly illegal Hispanics having their own "church" services within a (larger) local church? Where I attend, it is that way, the Hispanic pastor is legal, but many/most of the others hispanics are illegal. A few times, the men hispanics have married the American women in the church, have children, then got in trouble or whatever and got shipped back. Then the wife and children are "burned for playing with fire", and travel back and forth or whatever. One family divorced because of it.
I have unvoiced issues with it.


I was temporarily working in Chicago about 15 years ago, and we mentioned all the foreigners, mostly Hispanics tho, there to the forklift driver, and he said their goal was to take over our country thru reproducing with our american women, and if they were not willing to let them, they would do so via rape if thàts what it took. No lie. My co-worker almost beat the dog poop outa that guy.

Again. many of these people do have a "taking over" mentality. They have no conception of what being an American is all about, that this is a color blind issue. To them it is about race.

[n david]

Sen. Rand Paul is making a speech today, and showing support for a path to citizenship.

The so-called Gang of 8 issued a statement that their proposal will be submitted in April.