No gap of thousands of years in Matthew 24

[Evang.Benincasa]

I was just in a discussion where an individual brought up the idea that there is a gap found in Matthew 24. I don't know of any gap of thousands of years, but I have had this discussion thousands of times. There is no gap. Jesus is telling four of his inner circle what they will experience as the time of Jerusalem winds down to its end. Hence the reason that they were showing Jesus the grandeur of the temple caused Him warning them of its end. In Matthew 24"s parallel Luke 21, Jesus states Luke 21:20-22 that the focal point of His discussion is the fulfillment of prophecy which is the desolation of Jerusalem. The Jerusalem of 2,000 years ago. Not the modern Jerusalem of today which means the same thing to God as Hoboken New Jersey. Jews today aren't the Jews of the Bible. The Jerusalem of today isn't mentioned in the Bible. Also the United States is never mentioned once in the Bible. I know, I know, people may try their best to say that the United States is in scripture, but people also say there is a Trinity is found in the Bible.

[diakonos]

I post a lot of anti-drump stuff on Facebook. My mother commented recently, “Everything is falling into place for the end time,” or some such nonsense.

You are right. There is no gap in scripture. I had an assistant pastor once say
that God HAD to change his plan because the Jews rejected Jesus.
Imagine that, the omnipotent Jews decide how scripture plays out, so we’re
here twiddling our thumbs waiting on the Jews.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I post a lot of anti-drump stuff on Facebook. My mother commented recently, “Everything is falling into place for the end time,” or some such nonsense.

Yes, and if you were to sit her down to ask her to detail her thoughts with book, chapter, and verse, she would go silent. This is pretty normal across the board. William Miller, Joseph Smith, Ellen G White, including a host of Rabbinical and Catholic seers would be proud. Harold Camping, and Edgar C. Whisenant weren't anomalies. They are just the rank and file holding to what came before them. While we mock Dispensationalists and throw C. I. Scofield under the bus, they pretty much washed the ecclesiastical brains smooth. People like dear old mom, aren't studious concerning eschatology. They are told what to believe about eschatology. When questioned they can't give any details other than the world around them. In 1948 was a boon for American eschatology because a creation of Israel. Boys and girls sharpened their pencils to come up with charts and diagrams on how the end was soon. Brother and Sister Fafoonick just rolled with it. While some who just allowed the Bible to speak, raised an eyebrow. When they would voice their thoughts on how Jesus was only speaking to His audience, others would rather believe their newspapers.

Originally Posted by diakonos

You are right. There is no gap in scripture.

Yes, it's like the image of Daniel and the dream of Nebuchadnezzar. If you look at Clarence Larkin's charts the image has been stretched like Gumby.
Toes that look like serpents reaching into an unknown amount of time. Yet, when we really consider what Daniel is talking about he is trying to explain a dream about one empire being over taken by other gentile empires. Only to be consumed by Jesus Christ, the Rock cut from the mountain.

Originally Posted by diakonos

I had an assistant pastor once say
that God HAD to change his plan because the Jews rejected Jesus.
Imagine that, the omnipotent Jews decide how scripture plays out, so we’re
here twiddling our thumbs waiting on the Jews.

To be fair to the assistant pastor (where is that even in the Bible? Is that like a vice president?) he was told that by someone, who was told by someone, who was told by someone. He then relayed that worthless information to you.

The Church being a plan B because Jesus and the Apostles dropped the watermelon. Is just one of the cognitive dissonance that may be brought up in a discussion on eschatology. But, all in all, a vast majority of people have way more problems to deal with spiritually then eschatology. People need Jesus Christ with a soaking dose of Holy Ghost slathered with snot bubbles and tears. Speaking in tongues non stop at an altar soaked in sweat.

Then and only then will the newspaper be less important than the Bible.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

To be fair to the assistant pastor (where is that even in the Bible? Is that like a vice president?) he was told that by someone, who was told by someone, who was told by someone. He then relayed that worthless information to you.

Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another
You been messin' around...*with the Bible

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Bowas

Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another
You been messin' around...*with the Bible

Yes, pretty much sums it up. People will parrot something they heard someone say, or something they read in a booklet of tract. Yet, the book of Revelation starts with “This is the revelation of Jesus Christ. God gave it to him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He sent this revelation through his angel to his servant John. Who faithfully reported everything he saw. This is his report of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is he who reads this book, and those who hear the words of this prophetic message and obey what is written in this book! For the time is near when all these things will happen."

If you read Daniel 12:4 it states, the scroll recorded by Daniel is to be sealed until the time of the end.

"But you, Daniel, shut up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will roam to and fro, and knowledge will increase.”

Yet, in Revelation 22:10 we read that John was to not seal his scroll because he was at the end.

"And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time [of their fulfillment] is near."

It's pretty plain, just like Acts 2:38

But, this isn't about showing someone a Bible study in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or ancient Hittite. I use to slug it out with the best, and get disappointed when someone couldn't understand Matthew 28:18-19. How it says plainly that all total power has been given to Jesus Christ in Heaven and on Earth. That all His followers were to baptize in His name, and His name which represented three titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This was plain. But it isn't. The conditions of the heart is the soil which dictates how the seed of the Word grows. Jesus also quoted the prophet Isaiah when He said, "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

Therefore eschatology is the least of their problems.
Their issues are spiritually mountainous and may never find the way. The Word is sown in their hearts, but it's the condition, and that condition is totally on them. Like holiness you can get taught how to dress up. But if you don't get it through the Holy Ghost, sooner or later you'll just give up.
No hair pulling contest, no need for that. People just in this country alone believe some ecclesiastical fairy stories. They will fight you to the death to prove Jesus is the second person of the godhead. Or that you can have salvation without tongues or without water baptism. Or that their brand of eschatology is the golden goose. But, you know something? That's their journey, that is their issue. I hope they find the One True God Jesus Christ. I really hope they do. If they don't, it's no one's fault but their own.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yes, pretty much sums it up. People will parrot something they heard someone say, or something they read in a booklet of tract. Yet, the book of Revelation starts with “This is the revelation of Jesus Christ. God gave it to him to show his servants the things that must happen soon. He sent this revelation through his angel to his servant John. Who faithfully reported everything he saw. This is his report of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is he who reads this book, and those who hear the words of this prophetic message and obey what is written in this book! For the time is near when all these things will happen."

If you read Daniel 12:4 it states, the scroll recorded by Daniel is to be sealed until the time of the end.

"But you, Daniel, shut up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will roam to and fro, and knowledge will increase.”

Yet, in Revelation 22:10 we read that John was to not seal his scroll because he was at the end.

"And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time [of their fulfillment] is near."

It's pretty plain, just like Acts 2:38

But, this isn't about showing someone a Bible study in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or ancient Hittite. I use to slug it out with the best, and get disappointed when someone couldn't understand Matthew 28:18-19. How it says plainly that all total power has been given to Jesus Christ in Heaven and on Earth. That all His followers were to baptize in His name, and His name which represented three titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This was plain. But it isn't. The conditions of the heart is the soil which dictates how the seed of the Word grows. Jesus also quoted the prophet Isaiah when He said, "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

Therefore eschatology is the least of their problems.
Their issues are spiritually mountainous and may never find the way. The Word is sown in their hearts, but it's the condition, and that condition is totally on them. Like holiness you can get taught how to dress up. But if you don't get it through the Holy Ghost, sooner or later you'll just give up.
No hair pulling contest, no need for that. People just in this country alone believe some ecclesiastical fairy stories. They will fight you to the death to prove Jesus is the second person of the godhead. Or that you can have salvation without tongues or without water baptism. Or that their brand of eschatology is the golden goose. But, you know something? That's their journey, that is their issue. I hope they find the One True God Jesus Christ. I really hope they do. If they don't, it's no one's fault but their own.

Perfectly articulated!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Let's take all Israel will be saved. In the leading up to Romans 11:26 the Apostle explains how this happened. The writer uses Elijah's comment on how he is the only loyal prophet left. Yet God answers Elijah by saying that He reserved a loyal remnant. The writer lets the readers know that the unworthy would stay in blindness. The gentiles are also notified that they are fortunate enough to be grafted into the domestic olive tree. Yet, if they become prideful against those who lost their place in the tree of life, they they too might be broken off. The broken off branches may be brought back in if they believe in Christ. Romans 11:26-28 is pretty Apostolic, "and so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sakes." This isn't speaking of 2,000 and counting years in time future. That Jesus has to appear before modern day Rabbis and Zionists so they can reach hither their fingers, and behold His hands; and reach hither their hands, and thrust them into His side. So they will not be faithless, but believing. Jesus rebuked Thomas by saying “You believe because you have SEEN me. Blessed are those who believe WITHOUT seeing me.”

We are to walk by faith not by sight 2 Corinthians 5:7.

Sorry Charlie, but Jesus will not be making any special appearances over in Israel, Brooklyn, or Miami to PROVE that He is the Christ. The One True Living God.

There is only One Way To God! To Repent, to be baptized in Jesus name, to receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirt of God gives the ability.

There is no special group who going to get a private showing some day somewhere in the present or in the future.

There is only One Way to God.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Let's take all Israel will be saved. In the leading up to Romans 11:26 the Apostle explains how this happened. The writer uses Elijah's comment on how he is the only loyal prophet left. Yet God answers Elijah by saying that He reserved a loyal remnant. The writer lets the readers know that the unworthy would stay in blindness. The gentiles are also notified that they are fortunate enough to be grafted into the domestic olive tree. Yet, if they become prideful against those who lost their place in the tree of life, they they too might be broken off. The broken off branches may be brought back in if they believe in Christ. Romans 11:26-28 is pretty Apostolic, "and so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sakes." This isn't speaking of 2,000 and counting years in time future. That Jesus has to appear before modern day Rabbis and Zionists so they can reach hither their fingers, and behold His hands; and reach hither their hands, and thrust them into His side. So they will not be faithless, but believing. Jesus rebuked Thomas by saying “You believe because you have SEEN me. Blessed are those who believe WITHOUT seeing me.”

We are to walk by faith not by sight 2 Corinthians 5:7.

Sorry Charlie, but Jesus will not be making any special appearances over in Israel, Brooklyn, or Miami to PROVE that He is the Christ. The One True Living God.

There is only One Way To God! To Repent, to be baptized in Jesus name, to receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirt of God gives the ability.

There is no special group who going to get a private showing some day somewhere in the present or in the future.

There is only One Way to God.

I was in a discussion with a guy on this forum several years back, Sean, I believe it was. He claimed "all Israel shall be saved," meant every person of Israeli blood will be saved after they are born again, and even the ones dead will be raised up, accept Jesus as Messiah and will ALL be converted and saved.