TRFrance: Micah 5:2

[Jermyn Davidson]

In reference to this thread here: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=23060&page=4


I submit the scripture Micah 5:2-- a scripture that points to the the pre-existence of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.


BTW,
Of COURSE I am still Oneness! I'm just a few days late on responding to this challenge.




Micah 5:2 (New International Version)

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [b] are from of old,
from ancient times. [c] "

[Sam]

The Micah passage is considered to apply to Jesus, the Messiah and Son of God. But was He the Son of God before His incarnation? or was He the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel of the Lord?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

The Micah passage is considered to apply to Jesus, the Messiah and Son of God. But was He the Son of God before His incarnation? or was He the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel of the Lord?

I am not sure.

I only determined to prove the pre-existence of Jesus Christ in form of more than a "thought" of God.

This scripture gives me the impression that Jesus Christ existed before Bethlehem, in form of more than a thought.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am not sure.

I only determined to prove the pre-existence of Jesus Christ in form of more than a "thought" of God.

This scripture gives me the impression that Jesus Christ existed before Bethlehem, in form of more than a thought.

how so? and what form?

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am not sure.

I only determined to prove the pre-existence of Jesus Christ in form of more than a "thought" of God.

This scripture gives me the impression that Jesus Christ existed before Bethlehem, in form of more than a thought.

Jermyn, be careful.

You are entering into this study with a predetermined mindset. Your wording of this post is that you have already came to a conclusion, you are just looking for supporting verses.

TJJJ

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Jermyn, be careful.

You are entering into this study with a predetermined mindset. Your wording of this post is that you have already came to a conclusion, you are just looking for supporting verses.

TJJJ

Thank you. But that was the challenge from the beginning.

It was my gut feeling that Jesus, The Son of the Living God pre-existed before Bethlehem and TRFrance originally gave me the task to support my stance with scripture.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Thank you. But that was the challenge from the beginning.

It was my gut feeling that Jesus, The Son of the Living God pre-existed before Bethlehem and TRFrance originally gave me the task to support my stance with scripture.

Okay,

Explain this then.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

What we must explain is, what does THE SON mean?

Luke wrote that the SON was the thing to be born. You are saying that the SON pre-existed the incarnation.

Do you believe that the SON is referencing the flesh?

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reference to this thread here: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=23060&page=4


I submit the scripture Micah 5:2-- a scripture that points to the the pre-existence of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.


BTW,
Of COURSE I am still Oneness! I'm just a few days late on responding to this challenge.




Micah 5:2 (New International Version)

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [b] are from of old,
from ancient times. [c] "

does this mean that since our "origins" go back to Adam....that we pre-exsisted also?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by edjen01

does this mean that since our "origins" go back to Adam....that we pre-exsisted also?

Absolutely!! The same way Jesus did and that was in the plan of God. God calls those things that are not as though they were. That is called prophetic proleptic.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by edjen01

does this mean that since our "origins" go back to Adam....that we pre-exsisted also?

I think you are twisting the meanings of orgins.