BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PastorA]

This has to be one of the most interesting baptismal services I've ever seen....

at least one of them, went down in Jesus name...

As far as the rest of them....I'm not even sure if the trinitarians are ok with these baptisms

For your viewing pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnXMM...ead.php?t=2910

[Nahum]

I thought it didn't matter what was said in the tank?

"Bam" would be perfectly acceptable to many on AFF.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I thought it didn't matter what was said in the tank?

"Bam" would be perfectly acceptable to many on AFF.

Only if you also added lots and lots of garlic!

[chosenbyone]

Disturbing!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Disturbing!

Why?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Why?

From what I have read about Bentley, he has many disturbing New Age beliefs that needed to be exposed. Bentley claimed to travel "out of body" to where he has had conversations with Abraham and Jesus and where he witnessed to a witch doctor. These out of body experiences where a person communicates with beings and deceased people have been clearly condemned in the bible.

9 When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [a] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Deuteronomy 18:9-11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR_EHWbc9c0&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evMjS4KMv3Q&NR=1

This practice was made famous by Shirley McClaine (sp) back in the 1980's. The same New Age spirit that took her on her cosmic trips has guided Bentley! His focus on angelic beings, specifically Emma his guide, was another red flag that he represented a New Age gospel and not the true gospel of Jesus Christ. He mentioned on his website in December about Emma, "When she came, she began to mentor, nurture and opened up a prophetic well. The people in the church began having trances and visions and the pastor began getting words of knowledge and moving in healing."

The following was copied from this link http://www.apostasyalert.org/REFLECTIONS/bentley.htm.

He imparts his Emma spirit on the young people who come up for a touch. He flings the evil spirits upon them while yelling, "blah, blah, blah, blah" – whatever he means by that – and culminates it with slaying them in the "spirit" with the word "BAM!" [see link for example ] Why would he scream "Bam" over people? A clue is in his own words taken from the "The Secret Place" CD of the Fresh Fire conference referenced earlier. Bentley said:

"We’re like little chickens. We’re pretty defenseless and sometimes we’re just going through life pecking away… and then the wolf comes and we don’t even see it coming. Bam! He’s got you!"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7Bup1HxKl...E8D1E6&index=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsi-0...-8&sa=N&tab=wv

Colossians 2:8, 18-19 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize.
Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I thought it didn't matter what was said in the tank?

"Bam" would be perfectly acceptable to many on AFF.

There you go. Hey Dan and Adino are these baptisms valid?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There you go. Hey Dan and Adino are these baptisms valid?

What do you think? In particular the one where he baptised in Jesus Name...

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

PastorA, that would be acceptable to many AFF posters because they do not believe baptism plays any role in the New Birth process, and is therefore an unnecessary hindrance to real revival.

Because they view it as unnecessary, they really don't care what is said if someone, for some unknown reason, decides they may want to get wet.

Many???

Really???

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There you go. Hey Dan and Adino are these baptisms valid?

Valid baptisms?

Valid declarations of faith? Valid declarations of new Christians? Valid moments of demarcation in the lives of the baptizands? Valid acceptance into the Christian community?

Of course the baptisms were "valid."

In what I saw of the video the whacked preacher, though he allowed his abuse of glossolalia to get in the way of the practice and turn things into a monkey show (btw, I think he only accentuates what really happens to a lesser degree in Apostolic churches around the world), kept coming back to the traditional triune invocation which rightly incorporates a call of attention to the Son (Jesus Christ) as the object of the baptizand's faith.

While I certainly disagree with much of his protocol and views on charismata, the baptisms were indeed valid declarations of faith, of new Christians, of a demarcation in the lives of the baptismal candidates, and of acceptance into the Christian community at large.

Had there been no attempt to call attention to the Son of God I would agree that the baptisms were invalid because they would not have performed the purpose of the ritual in rightfully identifying the candidate with the Savior.

While I personally believe all baptisms should be performed in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ because Scripture calls for men to have faith in God through Christ, it cannot be denied that the triune invocation does call on the Son of God and if attention was drawn to Christ (the Son) in these baptisms they were indeed 'effective' in accomplishing baptism's purpose.