Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?

[stmatthew]

I am amazed that some seem to believe that "old time shouting" is out of order.

Do you believe in what the old timers called "shouting". I am talking about where the power of God falls in a service and folks start cutting a jig, or screaming? I am not talking about the Charismatic 2-step we see nowadays. But where one gets "lost" in the holy ghost. It used to be called "getting a blessing".

[Mrs. LPW]

Not into screaming or knocking out your neighbour, but Yes!
Shout with a voice of triumph!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I am amazed that some seem to believe that "old time shouting" is out of order.

Do you believe in what the old timers called "shouting". I am talking about where the power of God falls in a service and folks start cutting a jig, or screaming? I am not talking about the Charismatic 2-step we see nowadays. But where one gets "lost" in the holy ghost. It used to be called "getting a blessing".

I believe in it cause I see it happen. I think that there are times for it. if someone startes screaming loudly in the middle of the service when that is not the order of the service at that time people might think they got pinched on the hind end. That would be out of order

[dizzyde]

I don't have a problem with shouting but I do have a problem with what some people call shouting.

If you are talking about the "loose all control of your senses and have a seizure while shrieking", "shouting", I don't like it, and I don't think that God takes them over and makes them act like that.

What we call "shouting" is supposed to be about praise and worship. Do you think the loose all control stuff is about praise? What you are calling 2 step is more in line with what you see in the Bible, and I am all for it.

That is not to say that I think that the people who do the old time seizure/screaming fit stuff are bad or have a bad motivation. I think they are just following what they have seen and interpret to be praise.

Where this all got started, and why is what I would like to know?

[WyoPastor]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

What you are calling 2 step is more in line with what you see in the Bible, and I am all for it.

I seem to remember David dancing and praising God to the point his wife was ashamed of him. I doubt that was a little 2 step dance.

I'm not a real demonstrative person myself, but I've cut a rug a time or 2. I've probably done everything that you think is out of order and I know I have sure felt better afterwards.

Originally Posted by WyoPastor

I seem to remember David dancing and praising God to the point his wife was ashamed of him. I doubt that was a little 2 step dance.

I'm not a real demonstrative person myself, but I've cut a rug a time or 2. I've probably done everything that you think is out of order and I know I have sure felt better afterwards.

Actually it would be what we consider a two step.. it was not uncontrollable dancing as we see in Pentecostal churches... the word DANCE used with David is the original word CHOREO... which we derive Chorepgraphed from.... all Jewish Dancing is in the form of either circle dancing or very controlled celebratory dance.. He danced according to his Jewish Custom... there was nothing out of control......

[WyoPastor]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Actually it would be what we consider a two step.. it was not uncontrollable dancing as we see in Pentecostal churches... the word DANCE used with David is the original word CHOREO... which we derive Chorepgraphed from.... all Jewish Dancing is in the form of either circle dancing or very controlled celebratory dance.. He danced according to his Jewish Custom... there was nothing out of control......

Since you like to try to explain away everything Old Time Pentecostal, please explain why his wife was so upset if he was just dancing a "very controlled celebratory dance."

Originally Posted by WyoPastor

Since you like to try to explain away everything Old Time Pentecostal, please explain why his wife was so upset if he was just dancing a "very controlled celebratory dance."

WYOPASTOR..... his wife was not upset because he was dancing... dancing was a common and still is a common custom among Jewish people... she was upset because he ABASED HIMSELF and shed his ROYAL ROBES and made himself common among the people

II Sam 6:20 puts it all in perspective.. the Pentecostals would be well served to read these verses before trying to use something that DID NOT HAPPEN to justify the emotionalism of Pentecost...

NOW BROTHER, after reading the following verse.. you tell me .... was she mad because he danced or because he removed his ROYAL ROBES?

II SAM 6:20 - Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

You simply hear the voice of a JEALOUS WIFE because the handmaids saw David in basically his common garments...... she was not upset because he was dancing before the Lord but rather because he disrobed himself... all the way down to his linen ephod..... rather than portraying himself in his royal garments...

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Actually it would be what we consider a two step.. it was not uncontrollable dancing as we see in Pentecostal churches... the word DANCE used with David is the original word CHOREO... which we derive Chorepgraphed from.... all Jewish Dancing is in the form of either circle dancing or very controlled celebratory dance.. He danced according to his Jewish Custom... there was nothing out of control......

Actually, the Hebrew word used was:




karar (kä·rar')

1) (Pilpel) to whirl, dance

a) whirling, dancing (participle)

So the scripture suggests that David spun around with all he had in him. Kind of like a spinning top. Of course he didn't have the Holy Ghost either.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Actually, the Hebrew word used was:




karar (kä·rar')

1) (Pilpel) to whirl, dance

a) whirling, dancing (participle)

So the scripture suggests that David spun around with all he had in him. Kind of like a spinning top. Of course he didn't have the Holy Ghost either.

U mean David did the "helicopter" thing? KEWL!! I didn't know that!