Question

What if, while Jesus was about to be crucified...... the Roman Soldier who pierced his side giving him the final blow of death... decided to use his free will and SCREAM out.. "I CAN"t DO THIS, I WON'T DO THIS"

Does our salvation depend on Predestination or Free will?

Not wanting a fight just honest to goodness discussion of the issue

[RandyWayne]

There is so much to be said on this issue!

As Doc Brown once shouted out, "Marty! The future isn't set. It is whatever you make it out to be!", so goes our free will.
Of course, in another manner of speaking, the future IS set because God knows what we will be doing tomorrow and the next day, and the moment we die and of what cause.
In our fixed spot in our space-time continuum, I believe we can have both: Total free will and yet still be predestined to make certain choices and have certain things happen to us, which can only be known by someone looking from far FAR above our dimension.

There is so much more to be said on this. For instance in our own universe, when looking at matter at the quantum level we see particles that behave in a certain way based on our mere observation of them. Some see this as evidence of the existence of a multiverse where every possible outcome has already been calculated and happened.

[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

There is so much to be said on this issue!

As Doc Brown once shouted out, "Marty! The future isn't set. It is whatever you make it out to be!", so goes our free will.
Of course, in another manner of speaking, the future IS set because God knows what we will be doing tomorrow and the next day, and the moment we die and of what cause.
In our fixed spot in our space-time continuum, I believe we can have both: Total free will and yet still be predestined to make certain choices and have certain things happen to us, which can only be known by someone looking from far FAR above our dimension.

There is so much more to be said on this. For instance in our own universe, when looking at matter at the quantum level we see particles that behave in a certain way based on our mere observation of them. Some see this as evidence of the existence of a multiverse where every possible outcome has already been calculated and happened.

The Gospel according to Back To The Future! LOVE IT!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

There is so much to be said on this issue!

As Doc Brown once shouted out, "Marty! The future isn't set. It is whatever you make it out to be!", so goes our free will.
Of course, in another manner of speaking, the future IS set because God knows what we will be doing tomorrow and the next day, and the moment we die and of what cause.
In our fixed spot in our space-time continuum, I believe we can have both: Total free will and yet still be predestined to make certain choices and have certain things happen to us, which can only be known by someone looking from far FAR above our dimension.

There is so much more to be said on this. For instance in our own universe, when looking at matter at the quantum level we see particles that behave in a certain way based on our mere observation of them. Some see this as evidence of the existence of a multiverse where every possible outcome has already been calculated and happened.

Nice!

I think that our future is mapped out so to say, but I believe our free will can over ride it and change the future. God knows every move and step we take, but due to the fact He is all-knowing. But He allows us to make ur choices for outselves. IMO

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

What if, while Jesus was about to be crucified...... the Roman Soldier who pierced his side giving him the final blow of death... decided to use his free will and SCREAM out.. "I CAN"t DO THIS, I WON'T DO THIS"

Does our salvation depend on Predestination or Free will?

Not wanting a fight just honest to goodness discussion of the issue

He DID use his free will. It's not predestination but foreknowledge of what he was gonna do with his free will

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

What if, while Jesus was about to be crucified...... the Roman Soldier who pierced his side giving him the final blow of death... decided to use his free will and SCREAM out.. "I CAN"t DO THIS, I WON'T DO THIS"

Does our salvation depend on Predestination or Free will?

Not wanting a fight just honest to goodness discussion of the issue

I believe that God in His foreknowledge knows the path we will take...but we are not individually predestined, but as a corporate body, the church, the bride of Christ...now that is pre-destined!

Just my thoughts. If he predestined us then we really have no choice do we?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I believe that God in His foreknowledge knows the path we will take...but we are not individually predestined, but as a corporate body, the church, the bride of Christ...now that is pre-destined!

Just my thoughts. If he predestined us then we really have no choice do we?

We DO have a choice. He just knows what choice we will ultimately make.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

We DO have a choice. He just knows what choice we will ultimately make.

Exactly what I said

Great minds...and all that!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Exactly what I said

Great minds...and all that!

that or you're just a dummy with ESP

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Exactly what I said

Great minds...and all that!

The thing to remember is that while God knows what we will ultimately do, He doesn't judge us until we actually do it. In the movie Minority Report, people were judged based on crimes they would commit in the future. God doesn't work that way. He KNEW Judas would betray him, yet accepted him (Judas) based on Judas's state of mine at the time he became a disciple, which was probably nearly as 'pure' as the other 11.