I was just wondering how many Apostolics in here, in your churches, do you have pre-service prayer that is manditory for the born again saints in your church?
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Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls...
How does one make pre-service prayer mandatory for all born again believers?
Our church does have pre-service prayer.
Perhaps by teaching that the bible shows the necessity of it; if a saint then still does not obey after being taught the necessity of it, then perhaps it is time for the Pastor to obey what it teaches him to do, when a saint does not obey.
My church does as well.
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Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls...
Perhaps by teaching that the bible shows the necessity of it; if a saint then still does not obey after being taught the necessity of it, then perhaps it is time for the Pastor to obey what it teaches him to do, when a saint does not obey.My church does as well.
I don't think I'll ask.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Perhaps by teaching that the bible shows the necessity of it; if a saint then still does not obey after being taught the necessity of it, then perhaps it is time for the Pastor to obey what it teaches him to do, when a saint does not obey.
My church does as well.
The necessity of pre-service prayer? Where in the bible does it show that? Teach the necessity of prayer? Sure, but you are talking about legislating something that the bible does not mention being mandatory....that is praying before a service...just before a service AT the church building grounds...not in the car..not at home...not earlier in the day.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
The necessity of pre-service prayer? Where in the bible does it show that? Teach the necessity of prayer? Sure, but you are talking about legislating something that the bible does not mention being mandatory....that is praying before a service...just before a service AT the church building grounds...not in the car..not at home...not earlier in the day.
I did teach a little about the OT example on page 3 of this thread.
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Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls...
I did teach a little about the OT example on page 3 of this thread.
That was not "preservice prayer" that was the the law about the high priest entering into the Holy place. In the NT Jesus entered into there once and for all and as a result we can all have boldness to do the same. My question is where does the bible say we have to have an hour or so prayer just before the service actually starts? If it is to get right with God then something is amiss...when we pray we pray FOR the service, not because we need to get right with God in order to enter His presence. Where in the bible is it taught this is the case? Taking something from the OT and making a type out of it without any teaching from scriptures to support it is spiritualizing text to support a non biblical doctrine particularly in the instance of making it mandatory.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Perhaps by teaching that the bible shows the necessity of it; if a saint then still does not obey after being taught the necessity of it, then perhaps it is time for the Pastor to obey what it teaches him to do, when a saint does not obey.
My church does as well.
What does your Pastor do if your a saint who can't make it early for prayer? Ground you? I don't remember anything in the NT church about prayer before church.It would be hard to attend a church where the pastor keeps track of which saints come early to pray and which ones don't.
What does your Pastor do if your a saint who can't make it early for prayer? Ground you? I don't remember anything in the NT church about prayer before church.It would be hard to attend a church where the pastor keeps track of which saints come early to pray and which ones don't.
If you can't make it and/or have a good excuse, then you have a good excuse. But if not, then why not?
Is there anything in the NT that teaches how to conduct a church service? What should be done and in what order? Does the OT contain a type/shadow/figure/pattern of what the High Priest had to do before entering into the presence of God and being ready to hear the words of God?
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Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls...
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