Stonekings Covering

Justin · #1 08-27-2009, 09:34 PM

I made an observation on the following thread, post #100: (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...777#post794777)

1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

With all that time and energy Stoneking spends teaching about women not cutting their hair because women are supposed to pray with their head covered: Why is Lee Stoneking doing exactly what Paul told us not to do and dishonor his head (Jesus Christ) by praying with his head covered?

Hypocrisy?

SeekingOne · #2 08-27-2009, 09:43 PM

Does he have a Facebook account or a blog where we can ask him? That way we don't have to waste time and energy wondering, but could discuss what he really believes. :-)

I agree with your next post on the other thread when you said that maybe this helps the theory that Paul was speaking culturally. (I probably ripped what you said to shreds, sorry.)

missourimary · #3 08-27-2009, 09:43 PM

You'll love this, but I believe if he is at the temple wall in Jerusalem in these pics, the Jewish laws of that place require certain clothing in adherance to Jewish traditions. One of those traditions is the wearing of a skull cap. I can't look it up right now, but will do a search tomorrow if no one can confirm.
On the other hand, he preaches about hair, not hats-men and women. So by my understanding of his view of scripture: since his hair is cut, with or without the cap he is uncovered.

SeekingOne · #4 08-27-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by missourimary

You'll love this, but I believe if he is at the temple wall in Jerusalem in these pics, the Jewish laws of that place require certain clothing in adherance to Jewish traditions. One of those traditions is the wearing of a skull cap. I can't look it up right now, but will do a search tomorrow if no one can confirm.
On the other hand, he preaches about hair, not hats-men and women. So by my understanding of his view of scripture: since his hair is cut, with or without the cap he is uncovered.

Why does this logic not surprise me now that I have been on this forum for a while?

(Now I brace myself for the "If his hair is cut, but down to his waist...." stuff. But that is what this logic does, it starts all kinds of more illogical thinking because it just doesn't make sense to make the covering hair - in my opinion of course. LOL)

missourimary · #5 08-27-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SeekingOne

Why does this logic not surprise me now that I have been on this forum for a while?

(Now I brace myself for the "If his hair is cut, but down to his waist...." stuff. But that is what this logic does, it starts all kinds of more illogical thinking because it just doesn't make sense to make the covering hair - in my opinion of course. LOL)

Oh, let's not start a hair argument-what anyone here thinks of hair is their business as far as I'm concerned on this forum.

However, to pick at any person by name without them being here to defend themselves irritates me, and I'll defend them some way just for that fact.

missourimary · #6 08-27-2009, 10:05 PM

Bump for seekingone from the "If the conservative Aposotlics left the AFF" thread:

"This forum would be seriously uninteresting and lacking balance.I learn from both ends of the spectrum on here and I don't think either end should complain about the other being here.But I would like to point out that the name of this forum is Apostolic FRIENDS Forum, meaning we should be friends and act like friends. While I am honest with my friends, sharing my opinions, asking questions and letting them answer, I respect them because that is what Jesus would do and I also want to stay friends.I think we could keep everyone happy if we treated everyone like friends, even if we might not want to go to each other's church."

Hoovie · #7 08-27-2009, 11:01 PM

For those who don't have an issue praying covered... Would I be received with a hat on in your church? I got the haircut and all - if that counts.

missourimary · #8 08-27-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

For those who don't have an issue praying covered... Would I be received with a hat on in your church? I got the haircut and all - if that counts.

Sure, come anytime! More men wear hats here than women, though most do take them off when they enter the building-respect for one of those old American traditions or a cultural thing, since that's where we are...

Hoovie · #9 08-27-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by missourimary

Sure, come anytime! More men wear hats here than women, though most do take them off when they enter the building-respect for one of those old American traditions or a cultural thing, since that's where we are...

Strange... wonder how that got started...

pelathais · #10 08-27-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Strange... wonder how that got started...

In the Middle Ages and even back into antiquity a man would remove his head gear as a sign of respect and homage. It was a way of making oneself a bit more vulnerable and saying, "I'm not here to threaten you..." My bank has a sign that asks people to remove motorcycle helmets and related head gear. It's a way of "showing yourself." By "showing yourself" you lower the level of tension and alarm that your arrival may have caused.

The hand wave gesture is similar. It was a way of showing that a person had nothing in their hand, in particular a weapon.

To even be allowed to approach the Western Wall men have to wear a head covering. There are boxes with kippot available on site for use.

Here's the rules: http://www.sacred-destinations.com/i...stern-wall.htm

You could just push your way through and demand your rights to pray with an uncovered head, but I pretty much guarantee a small riot will ensue. You will be arrested, and by the time the police or soldiers get there you will probably be glad to see them.