LOST???????????????????

[Steve Epley]

What would a Jesus Name Pentecostal have to do to become lost????

Fellowshipping Trinitarians is not a problem?

Being a pervert(gay) is not a problem???


Not going to church is not a problem????


Hating preachers is not a problem??????

Abandoning all standards is not a problem????

Lying on the AS is not a problem??????????

The ONLY thing I know that some feel that would cause an Apostolic to be lost is to keep outward standards???????????

WHAT SAY YOU???????????????????????????????

[Michael The Disciple]

Steve,

Here is what you must do to be lost:

2: Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found THY WORKS PERFECT BEFORE GOD.
3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev. 3:2-5

If ones works are not perfect his name will be blotted out of the book of life. So its time to go on to perfection.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

What would a Jesus Name Pentecostal have to do to become lost????

Fellowshipping Trinitarians is not a problem?

Being a pervert(gay) is not a problem???


Not going to church is not a problem????


Hating preachers is not a problem??????

Abandoning all standards is not a problem????

Lying on the AS is not a problem??????????

The ONLY thing I know that some feel that would cause an Apostolic to be lost is to keep outward standards???????????

WHAT SAY YOU???????????????????????????????

Lets see....a judgmental spirit for one. So alot of them would be lost. You preach mercy, not getting what we deserve, and grace, getting what we do not deserve, to sinners, but no chance a current saint gets mercy and grace from ministry. Almost every single oneness person I know is this way. It is like this, before we "find" God we do not know any better so if we do these things then we are alright. But those current saints that mess up people treat them like this, now you are "in the way" you can not make a mistake because now you know better.

What since does that make? Does God's grace and mercy run out after we are saved? Lord no! Infact, it probably increases toward us. Living for God is easy, but living in the real word is tough sometimes so God gives us great grace and multiplied mercy. His mercy is new every morning. Find a UPC preacher that will accually follow that....needle...haystack?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Lets see....a judgmental spirit for one. So alot of them would be lost. You preach mercy, not getting what we deserve, and grace, getting what we do not deserve, to sinners, but no chance a current saint gets mercy and grace from ministry. Almost every single oneness person I know is this way. It is like this, before we "find" God we do not know any better so if we do these things then we are alright. But those current saints that mess up people treat them like this, now you are "in the way" you can not make a mistake because now you know better.

What since does that make? Does God's grace and mercy run out after we are saved? Lord no! Infact, it probably increases toward us. Living for God is easy, but living in the real word is tough sometimes so God gives us great grace and multiplied mercy. His mercy is new every morning. Find a UPC preacher that will accually follow that....needle...haystack?

Sorry I am NOT UPC and have never been they are too weak!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sorry I am NOT UPC and have never been they are too weak!

I was not saying you are UPC yourself. But your response shows how right I am. Oneness pentecostals are the worst in judging. Horrible This is you judging

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Lets see....a judgmental spirit for one. So alot of them would be lost. You preach mercy, not getting what we deserve, and grace, getting what we do not deserve, to sinners, but no chance a current saint gets mercy and grace from ministry. Almost every single oneness person I know is this way. It is like this, before we "find" God we do not know any better so if we do these things then we are alright. But those current saints that mess up people treat them like this, now you are "in the way" you can not make a mistake because now you know better.

What since does that make? Does God's grace and mercy run out after we are saved? Lord no! Infact, it probably increases toward us. Living for God is easy, but living in the real word is tough sometimes so God gives us great grace and multiplied mercy. His mercy is new every morning. Find a UPC preacher that will accually follow that....needle...haystack?

you are deluded in your thinking, Brother! Now, if you define mercy and grace as tolerant of open and overt sin you might be correct. Otherwise your comments are full of fluff!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by philjones

you are deluded in your thinking, Brother! Now, if you define mercy and grace as tolerant of open and overt sin you might be correct. Otherwise your comments are full of fluff!

His concept of the Love of God is 2 hippies in a sleeping bag.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

His concept of the Love of God is 2 hippies in a sleeping bag.

And some perceive God's love as a total of 2 in heaven.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by philjones

you are deluded in your thinking, Brother! Now, if you define mercy and grace as tolerant of open and overt sin you might be correct. Otherwise your comments are full of fluff!

I am not referring tp overlooking "overt sin." I am talking about killing people over making mistakes when they know they need to get up and repent. Fluff is defending pentecostals judgemental attitude. If people in the church knew what kind of junk the pastors are up to, at times, and we treated you all the same we are treated, then you would feel differently. I know there are alot of pastors that do not practice what they preach. It is do as I say not as I do.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I am not referring tp overlooking "overt sin." I am talking about killing people over making mistakes when they know they need to get up and repent. Fluff is defending pentecostals judgemental attitude. If people in the church knew what kind of junk the pastors are up to, at times, and we treated you all the same we are treated, then you would feel differently. I know there are alot of pastors that do not practice what they preach. It is do as I say not as I do.

I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "what kind of junk pastors are up to". That said, I guess my question to you would be, how do you arrive at your conclusions without also judging someone or something? Your criticism of judgmental attitudes is invalid unless you do not judge others yourself!