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Old 09-29-2010, 12:24 PM
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Testing 9/11 Conspiracies

I offered this in another thread; those that are conspiracy minded to take their best evidences, one at a time,for testing.

If you believe there is merit to these things then there should be no fear in testing them. Please, not three pages of unsubstantiated claims or names. One at a time, your best with evidence and support like a link to a web page.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:43 PM
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Re: Testing 9/11 Conspiracies

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I offered this in another thread; those that are conspiracy minded to take their best evidences, one at a time,for testing.

If you believe there is merit to these things then there should be no fear in testing them. Please, not three pages of unsubstantiated claims or names. One at a time, your best with evidence and support like a link to a web page.
Prax,

Although I find your idea interesting, it sounds very time consuming. Perhaps someone will take you up on it. If not, I suggest you look up some of the claims on 911 sites that ask for reinvestigation and try to say there is no need for reinvestigation. Perhaps that would work better.

I would like to point out also that, asking for a reinvestigation is not the same thing as believing there is a conspiracy. It is simply saying let's get all the facts on the table before we make up our minds.
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Old 09-29-2010, 07:07 PM
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Although I find your idea interesting, it sounds very time consuming. Perhaps someone will take you up on it. If not, I suggest you look up some of the claims on 911 sites that ask for reinvestigation and try to say there is no need for reinvestigation. Perhaps that would work better.

I would like to point out also that, asking for a reinvestigation is not the same thing as believing there is a conspiracy. It is simply saying let's get all the facts on the table before we make up our minds.
As I said in the other thread, I already did look them up. That's why I don't believe they hold water plus most of them have been debunked by experts in several fiends
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As I said in the other thread, I already did look them up. That's why I don't believe they hold water plus most of them have been debunked by experts in several fiends
Okay well, I'm not going to spend the time researching the issue for others, posting websites, names, organizations etc. I know how fast these things can polarize too, going from me simply keeping an open mind to accusations of me pushing conspiracy theories and wearing of tin foil hats. So, that is why I am not willing to invest the time. I would like to see you do it though, since you seem interested. I have spent my own personal time long enough to keep an open mind about the issue.
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Okay well, I'm not going to spend the time researching the issue for others, posting websites, names, organizations etc. I know how fast these things can polarize too, going from me simply keeping an open mind to accusations of me pushing conspiracy theories and wearing of tin foil hats. So, that is why I am not willing to invest the time. I would like to see you do it though, since you seem interested. I have spent my own personal time long enough to keep an open mind about the issue.
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Okay well, I'm not going to spend the time researching the issue for others, posting websites, names, organizations etc. I know how fast these things can polarize too, going from me simply keeping an open mind to accusations of me pushing conspiracy theories and wearing of tin foil hats. So, that is why I am not willing to invest the time. I would like to see you do it though, since you seem interested. I have spent my own personal time long enough to keep an open mind about the issue.
With respect, failure to place the blame for the murder of almost 3,000 people squarely upon the shoulders of those who committed the murder is tantamount to squeezing the largest possible "tin foil hat" over one's head.

Please consider an analogy: Did O.J. Simpson murder Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson? For political and racist reasons a jury found O.J. "Not Guilty." That was an terrible injustice and a dark blemish on American jurisprudence.

OJ is in prison today, not because justice was achieved at his trial, but because there were those (like Goldman's father) who persisted until justice was done. The Alex Jones/"Conspiracy Nuts" think that they represent the "Fred Goldmans" of the world in their "pursuit of justice."

The facts say otherwise. Al Qaeda did it.
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The facts say otherwise. Al Qaeda did it.
As I said before, I am keeping an open mind. I think there are too many questions.
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As I said in the other thread, I already did look them up. That's why I don't believe they hold water plus most of them have been debunked by experts in several fiends
I agree with Prax here...

All of the facts that are ever likely to be uncovered about the 9/11 attacks have been "on the table" and reviewed endlessly. We even know what Mohammed Atta likely had for breakfast the morning of the attacks; though whether or not he "Supersized" his meal is left up to speculation.

Refusing to engage the facts and details is not the same as having "The Facts" unavailable.
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Re: Testing 9/11 Conspiracies

Personally, I think something is "wrong" with what happened on 9/11. I believe there are elements to this that we don't know. As for a "conspiracy"... I'd not call it a conspiracy. But I do think the government knew more prior to the attacks than they are telling us.
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