Predestined for Glorification

[newnature]

We cannot earn salvation, and we can never lose salvation, because salvation is based not upon what we do, or promise to do, but upon what Christ has already done for us! What an astounding truth to ponder and really come to understand; a gift declaration of righteousness to those who could never gain that declaration through performance. Does that mean that once we are saved, we can just go out and do anything we want to do; live anyway we want to live and still be saved? Self-sanctification is sitting at the core in a negative way in the mindset of the person who is posing that question. Paul proves that question to be just the opposite.

Grace is a much greater motivator. It is the love of God that constrains us, not fear that God is going to strike us dead, or allow us to be a part of the second death if we perform what we should not be performing, or do not measure up through our performance. Are people set apart as holy in God’s sight because of their lack of sin, or are people set apart as holy in God’s sight because he has joined them to his son? God has a purpose for those who believe, by placing the believer into his son. God did not predestinate us to believe, he predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his son, because he knew who would believe. We must understand that God has predetermined to glorify us. In fact, God has predestined us to that glorification. To predestinate simply means to decide and decree in advance the destiny of something.

Should we just go out and sin all the more now that we know that God’s grace is given to us as a gift simply when we believe his son died for our sins, and put those sins off the table of God’s justice. The natural man has his mind tuned in only to the channel of his own human perspective; satisfying the lust of his flesh; the lust of his eyes; and the pride of life. If something is not logical to the natural man’s way of thinking, he refuses to believe it, whether God said it or not, he wants to remain in his comfort zone. God is not giving out his righteousness as a reward to those who are sorry for the past, and who promise to do their best in the future. At the point of our belief in what Christ accomplished where our sins are concerned, we are as closely associated with Christ as anyone could be, we are joined to him. What an ingenious salvation plan, to take someone else that is righteous and join us to that person, therefore what is Christ’s is ours! It is a gift, a declaration of rightness with God, and this comes totally apart from that unrighteous person’s production.

[bbyrd009]

Then, I'm curious why I sould try to produce "some 10, some 50, and some 100 fold..."? Just asking; I more or less agree w/you.

[Michael The Disciple]

A misunderstanding of grace, righteousness and predestination. Do we have to DO ANYTHING to be accepted in the end?

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away , and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:16-17

So yes we must do Gods will and be obedient if we want to gain eternal life and escape eternal destruction.

The error they teach about righteousness and justification are because they apply the scriptures that are concerning our INITIAL SALVATION as tho it covers the whole salvation process.

[Dordrecht]

The error they teach about righteousness and justification are because they apply the scriptures that are concerning our INITIAL SALVATION as tho it covers the whole salvation process.

You mean to say what Christ
did on the cross was not enough
for total salvation?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

You mean to say what Christ
did on the cross was not enough
for total salvation?

Are you saying one need not do the will of God to have eternal life? The cross is sufficient (the blood) for our forgiveness. But it will not excuse sin unpented of.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Are you saying one need not do the will of God to have eternal life? The cross is sufficient (the blood) for our forgiveness. But it will not excuse sin unpented of.

We can only do the will of God, because we have eternal life. If the church would preach the true Good News, then folks would believe and walk it out.

But because they have been taught that they have to "do the will of God" to GET eternal life, they don't believe they can ever do enough, therefore they are in a vicious cycle of performance AND FAILURE, WHICH PRODUCES CONDEMNATION. Never able to attain what the church SAYS is a free gift.

YOU CANNOT DO THE WILL OF GOD, UNTIL YOU FULLY ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE THE RIGHTEOUS OF GOD. AND THAT MY FRIEND IS ONLY POSSIBLE BY EXCEPTING THE FINISH WORK OF CHRIST, AS ENOUGH, PERIOD!!

ALL OTHER EFFORTS ARE WILLPOWER AND FIFTHLY RAGS.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by crakjak

...But because they have been taught that they have to "do the will of God" to GET eternal life, they don't believe they can ever do enough, therefore they are in a vicious cycle of performance AND FAILURE, WHICH PRODUCES CONDEMNATION. Never able to attain what the church SAYS is a free gift.

The result of the doctrine of Original Sin.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

We condemn people to hell with man made rules with no scriptural support.

yup. More OS.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by crakjak

We can only do the will of God, because we have eternal life.

If this is true, then regeneration comes BEFORE repentance and belief, and they are the product of regeneration.

If that is true, then those who do not repent and believe, are not regenerated.

Many die without repentance and belief in the gospel.

Therefore, many die without being regenerated.

To not be regenerated is to perish and NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, for 'UNLESS' one is regenerated, one CANNOT enter the kingdom of God.

Therefore, those who die without regeneration are LOST and CANNOT ENTER GOD'S KINGDOM.

Thus, universalism is overthrown by it's own proponents LOL.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

You mean to say what Christ
did on the cross was not enough
for total salvation?

Its interesting how you people make these unfounded comments

In other words you can't deal with what he said so you create a false argument.

Classic example of a strawman argument

[Michael The Disciple]

The blood has a certain purpose in the process. But there is more.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:8

The water and spirit are essential to salvation.