1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
This verse is speaking of people who are actually speaking by the Spirit as in prophecy or interpretation of tongues. Paul used these to point to those who are not speaking by the Spirit of God and those who are speaking by the Spirit of God. So if someone is giving prophecy by an evil spirit they cannot say by that evil spirit that "Jesus is Lord". And likewise is someone is giving a prophecy by the Spirit of God, they will not say that "Jesus is accursed". This verse has nothing to do with a confession of faith in Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Now this verse doesn't specify how long "after" is.
Are there any other verses that people who teach the doctrine of subsequence use in support of their doctrine?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
This verse is speaking of people who are actually speaking by the Spirit as in prophecy or interpretation of tongues. Paul used these to point to those who are not speaking by the Spirit of God and those who are speaking by the Spirit of God. So if someone is giving prophecy by an evil spirit they cannot say by that evil spirit that "Jesus is Lord". And likewise is someone is giving a prophecy by the Spirit of God, they will not say that "Jesus is accursed". This verse has nothing to do with a confession of faith in Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Now this verse doesn't specify how long "after" is.
Are there any other verses that people who teach the doctrine of subsequence use in support of their doctrine?
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
This verse is speaking of people who are actually speaking by the Spirit as in prophecy or interpretation of tongues. Paul used these to point to those who are not speaking by the Spirit of God and those who are speaking by the Spirit of God. So if someone is giving prophecy by an evil spirit they cannot say by that evil spirit that "Jesus is Lord". And likewise is someone is giving a prophecy by the Spirit of God, they will not say that "Jesus is accursed". This verse has nothing to do with a confession of faith in Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Now this verse doesn't specify how long "after" is.
Are there any other verses that people who teach the doctrine of subsequence use in support of their doctrine?
I don't see where he sees the doctrine of subsequence in Eph 1:13. So is he saying then that those who have "accepted Christ" are "saved", but have not yet been "sealed"? That makes no sense. Perhaps he should consider how Eph 1:13 reads in other versions of the Bible. Take the New Living Bible for instance....
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13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own[d] by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.
14 The Spirit is God’s guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people.
How can one have been "saved" without God having "identified them as his own" or giving them "the guarantee of an inheritence, and that they've been purchased to be one of his people"?
I don't see where he sees the doctrine of subsequence in Eph 1:13. So is he saying then that those who have "accepted Christ" are "saved", but have not yet been "sealed"? That makes no sense. Perhaps he should consider how Eph 1:13 reads in other versions of the Bible. Take the New Living Bible for instance....
How can one have been "saved" without God having "identified them as his own" or giving them "the guarantee of an inheritence, and that they've been purchased to be one of his people"?
Boyd understands this verse to be saying that when someone believes that they are instantly sealed with the Spirit. I understand this verse as saying that those who believed were sealed sometime after their initial belief in Christ. If we go to Acts we can see how this worked out in Acts 8, 9, 10, and 19. It was only in Acts 10 that new believers were instantly sealed.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
I don't buy the idea that Holy Ghost baptism is a subsequent experience in relation to some form of initial salvation. I believe that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is essentially being born of the Spirit. Now, as it relates to initial evidence, I believe that the typical evidence is tongues. I'll accept "stammering lips" in that a person experiencing the baptism of the Holy Ghost often holds back, afraid of what it will sound like, or doesn't honestly understand what is happening to them. I simply do not see Holy Ghost baptism being a subsequent experience.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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