Thailand Oneness

[Sabby]

I posted this praise report in the Tab as well. Anyone born in the 40's, 50's or 60's that is familiar with the UPC missions programs remembers the Nigh family. Attended the Tulsa Bible college and then Conqueror's Bible College in the early 50's. Pastored in Morton, Washington and then an instructor at Conqueror's for several years before leaving for Germany being appointed by the FMB as the Missionary to the European Military District (succeeding Bill Glaser). His second appointment was to the German nationals, where he missioned until the mid-1980's. His church in Wiesbaden was the Schloss Freudenberg, also known as the "Lighthouse". It contained a bible school, book store short-term housing for visiting missionaries and was the largest national oneness church with the highest per capita giving in Europe. He became a German to the Germans by learning to speak the language to in turn disciple national pastors to reach their own people. In addition to translating the book of Philippians into German, Bro. Nigh translated several pentecostal choruses into the native tongue.
If anyone is familiar with the PAJC takeover of the Northwest in the 70s and 80s they will understand the mindset at HQ that refused to re-appoint the Nighs to Germany as a PIM. He returned anyway, as an unsupported missionary with the successes I mentioned above.

On Monday I returned from a short-term missionary trip to Chiang Mai, Thailand. I had been invited by Br. Nigh to join him in a barnstorming trip from southern Thailand to Northern Thailand into Burma.
Along with three day seminars for local pastors in Korat (So Thailand) and in Burma (Tachilek), we ministered in 6 different churches thoughout Thailand while on a compressed schedule. During the second half of the schedule Steve Yadon, pastor from Pocatello, Idaho joined us.
Those that attended our seminars represent hundreds of believers, from those in Kohn Buri, Korat, Tahkham, Doi-Saket, Hu-Ya, Mae-Sai and the Burmese border city of Tachilek. LCI also distributed free New Testaments w/Psalms and Proverbs in the Lahu dialect of Burmese and books written by Br Nigh translated into the local dialects on the nature of (the Christian) God.
The mission of LCI is to reach, teach and disciple national pastors to reach their own. LCI has also built a state of the art conference center in Chiang Mai. The Logos Conference Center (LCC) is completely paid for. It is a two story building with apartments and dorm rooms on the second floor with separate male and female showers. The first floor has a large kitchen facility classrooms providing seating for 100-300 with an additional small classroom adjacent to it.
It was a privilege to teach and preach with Br Nigh, a long-time Oneness (former UPC) missionary. The doctrine he preaches is apostolic in every sense of the word. The Nighs have served the Lord honorably over the years. They have raised up a generation of National preachers in Germany and in Thailand for the name of Jesus Christ, of which I am an eyewitness.

The Kingdom of God, Jesus' name baptism and the Oneness of God is being preached in Thailand and Burma in spite of opposition from our brothers in the Lord in the United Pentecostal confines.
Politics never seems to end:
National pastors connected with the Nighs have been informed that their brethren in the United Pentecostal Church are not to associate with the Nighs or their sponsoring organization, Logos Communications International or with the Logos Conference Center in Chiang Mai.
IN SPITE of the spintering tactics by UPC FMD HQ, the church of Jesus Christ in Thailand is growing.

God is MOVING in SE Asia.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sabby

...The Kingdom of God, Jesus' name baptism and the Oneness of God is being preached in Thailand and Burma in spite of opposition from our brothers in the Lord in the United Pentecostal confines.
Politics never seems to end:
National pastors connected with the Nighs have been informed that their brethren in the United Pentecostal Church are not to associate with the Nighs or their sponsoring organization, Logos Communications International or with the Logos Conference Center in Chiang Mai.
IN SPITE of the spintering tactics by UPC FMD HQ, the church of Jesus Christ in Thailand is growing.

God is MOVING in SE Asia.

Thank you for this report.
Too bad that some in the Body of Christ do not recognize others in that same body.

[Sabby]

Your anointed prayer helped me greatly, brother.

I am surprised with the amount of visitors on AFF that there haven't been more comments.

[renee819]

Great report, Sabby.

So thankful for the Nigh's. I remember the name, and it seems that I heard them preach, but I'm afraid I have forgotten more than I know.

Hate to hear about the Politics. I remember, when I first realized that politics was in the church, it made me very angry. (about 40 yrs ago) It seems when politics gets in, it takes over.

Lord, help our brothers and sisters to see that this is wrong.

The TRUE MESSAGE is all that counts.

[Sabby]

The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Sabby

The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

I don't think anyone knows whe He returns? What does Treece teach?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sabby

The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean since Baxter is a post trib and Scofield believers are pre trib. Then again Im not aware of ANY Apostolic preacher who says they know the day Christ returns.

[pilgram]

Originally Posted by Sabby

The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

Just for the sake of clarity what exactly do the terms "PIM", "PCI", "Zionists" and "Scofield-believers" mean in your post?

If the "Scofield-believers" refers to C.I. Scofield of the Scofield bible fame I have researched the subject and he was a Freemason Anglican-Catholic infiltrator who was one of the biggest deceivers of the pre-trib movement in the 19th century. The Scofield bible was funded by the Freemasons. From at least the late 1860's after the Civil War when Scofield linked up in Kansas with Mason John J. Ingalls (from a prominent Jewish family in New England) who got Scofield accepted into the Lotos Club (Masionic group) in New York City to his death in 1921 on Long Island NY he was a dedicated Mason who did their bidding to destroy the Protestant movement that sought to expose the Vatican/Jesuits.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._I._Scofield for individuals/groups cited.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sabby

The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

Well I don't want to seem to be trying to hinder a move of God. I do pray for the nations and a few weeks back prayed for Burma and Thailand.

Nonetheless the original poster made an issue about these two things.

PCI doctrine. Believe me I have never been in the UPC so it has nothing to do with their politics. But as far as 3 step vs 1 step which he made an issue of I do think it is error.

Not that God cannot move in that. That's the way I came in myself. Everyone begins with faith. I have ministered and fellowshipped with many kinds believers, many Trinitarians.

Issue two he brought up was to link, Zionist, Schofield and Post trib together as if its all one thing. So I don't think its promoting a move of God to denounce and lump together as one these groups in order to then promote preterism.

If it had just been about people being saved in Thailand I would not have questioned it but rather rejoiced. Peace, Michael.

[Sabby]

Wayne Nigh's experience was similar in some ways to what happened to Larry Smith.
The difference was that 30 years ago it involved the largest oneness European church operation on the planet. Europeans were being baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost. It was the largest oneness Christian bookstore in Europe. It was closed down within two years after the Nighs left Germany.

Sis Alvear,
Marvin Treece was the forerunner of prophecy seminars 30 years ago using colorful overhead projector images. Irvin Baxter has better technology and markets his material very well, but it is essentially the same material.
Nigh's eschatology refutes efforts to date the coming of the Lord, which is what every false prophet does. Whether Pre or Post trib, people are taught to look for "signs" of the Lord's return. Jesus made it very clear that the only sign would be as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, so He would be buried and raise again after three days and nights. Everything else is sensationalism.

Here are a couple of anecdotes:
I received a copy of an end-time bible study from ABI in 1988. It was being taught at the school The title of the study was, "88 Reasons Why Jesus Will Return in 1988". All the reasons listed were based upon Zionism, the return of the nation of Israel, increased social problems, etc along with conjecture of where in Europe the anti-Christ would arise from.

From the fall of 1977 until the spring of 1978, I was at Evangel Church in Portland where Paul Dugas taught -based upon the recreation of the nation of Israel - and the formation of the European Union, that the anti-Christ will soon be revealed. This was a form of dating the return of the Lord. The idea itself that there is a "trigger" for a countdown whether from a Pre or Post viewpoint is derived with some modifications from Scofield eschatology that the UPC and many Pentecostals still hold to.

That Br Nigh would lose a PIM appointment after ESTABLISHING the work in Germany showed the carnality and violence to scripture that his brothers in the Lord engaged in. Those that he thought were friends turned their backs on him. Bible college students from Conqueror's Bible College that interned under him (their names have been mentioned in other threads on AFF) and are missionaries themselves and those that have worked at HQ turned their backs on him. Preachers who would hug his neck would slime him behind his back. Br Nigh told me that it was (during the time of his inquisition) "like swimming with sharks". Brothers that he had gone to bible school with, played softball with, former friends, turned their backs on him and even worse, participated in having his appointment removed.
The "sharks" in Bangkok may just be contentious or jealous, maybe just a little insecure. They won't stop the growth of the Kingdom of God.

Those familiar with UPC by-laws in the '80s will remember that there was zero tolerance for anything that resembled partial-preterism or historicism. The doctrine was (it might still be) Pre Trib, Pre Mill - with some allowances given the post-tribs. The FMD made end-time views a test of fellowship, and in Br Nigh's case a test of a calling.