Oneness Questions

bjhs08 · #1 04-20-2014, 05:35 PM

Hello all,

I am new to this forum and to Oneness Pentecostalism in general. I am a trinitarian pentecostal, but I have been doing alot of research on Oneness doctrine and am feeling drawn to it. However, I have a few questions for the community here. Please do not take these as an attack or challenge, but as form one seeking more information. Thanks

1) If God and Jesus are one, who was Jesus speaking to on the Cross when he said "Forgive them Father for the know not what they do.", and "My God, why have you foresaken me?"

2) What about passages that say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father?

Thank you for your help.

Disciple4life · #2 04-20-2014, 06:22 PM

Hello, I am so glad you found this forum!

I can not say that I am an expert or that I can give you the text book answers, but I will try to help out.

1. When Jesus was being baptized God showed himself in three ways. On the cross Jesus (the man) spoke to his Father (his divinity). When Jesus returned to Heaven him and his Father both sat down in his Father's throne. Rev. 3:21 There is one throne in Heaven. Rev. 4:2. When you get to Heaven you will only see one God sitting in one throne.

2. So what about the phrase on the right hand of God?

LU 22:69 the Son of Man sitting on the RIGHT HAND of the power of God.`

AC 2:33 at the RIGHT HAND then of God having been exalted

Jesus is sitting down in the one throne in Heaven in power and authority because he has been exalted.

Sitting at the right hand is a first century Jewish saying. If I told somebody it was raining cats and dogs they would not understand what I meant if they were not from my time and culture. Sitting at someone's right hand simply means that you have their power and authority.

Hope this helps.

If I got anything wrong as far as saying it backwards, anybody else can chime in and say it in a more clear way.

jfrog · #3 04-20-2014, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Hello, I am so glad you found this forum!

I can not say that I am an expert or that I can give you the text book answers, but I will try to help out.

1. When Jesus was being baptized God showed himself in three ways. On the cross Jesus (the man) spoke to his Father (his divinity). When Jesus returned to Heaven him and his Father both sat down in his Father's throne. Rev. 3:21 There is one throne in Heaven. Rev. 4:2. When you get to Heaven you will only see one God sitting in one throne.

2. So what about the phrase on the right hand of God?

LU 22:69 the Son of Man sitting on the RIGHT HAND of the power of God.`

AC 2:33 at the RIGHT HAND then of God having been exalted

Jesus is sitting down in the one throne in Heaven in power and authority because he has been exalted.

Sitting at the right hand is a first century Jewish saying. If I told somebody it was raining cats and dogs they would not understand what I meant if they were not from my time and culture. Sitting at someone's right hand simply means that you have their power and authority.

Hope this helps.

If I got anything wrong as far as saying it backwards, anybody else can chime in and say it in a more clear way.

Thank you for saying what the learned here dare not, that todays mainstream oneness teaches that the man/flesh/"human natute" spoke to divinity/"divine nature". I applaud you sir!

Praxeas · #4 04-22-2014, 06:17 PM

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Thank you for saying what the learned here dare not, that todays mainstream oneness teaches that the man/flesh/"human natute" spoke to divinity/"divine nature". I applaud you sir!

His nature did nothing, however His nature affects what he does or can do as it does you and I

Light · #5 04-22-2014, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Disciple4life

On the cross Jesus (the man) spoke to his Father (his divinity) .

1Co 15:27 For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)

The man Jesus was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

jfrog · #6 04-22-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

1Co 15:27 For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)

The man Jesus was praying to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

So Jesus is not god?

Light · #7 04-23-2014, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

So Jesus is not god?

The majority of those who call them self oneness are really Jesus only.

If Jesus is the Father (God ) why does he tell us he is the mediator between man and God.

Why did he tell us No man can come to Jesus except the Father draw him.

If Jesus is the Father (God) then he raised himself from the dead.

The apostles did not preach Jesus only.

On the day of Pentecost, Peter preached a message that quickened the hearts of those that heard it. That same message was then preached throughout the book of acts. That message was man killed Jesus and God raised him from the dead.
The same message was preached by Paul.

1Co 15:27 For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus ) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,(God) then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (God) that put all things under him,(Jesus ) that God may be all in all.

Sean · #8 04-23-2014, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Light

The majority of those who call them self oneness are really Jesus only.

If Jesus is the Father (God ) why does he tell us he is the mediator between man and God.

(there is one mediator between God and man, the man(HUMAN BEING) Christ Jesus. the mediation came with the shed blood of Christ).

Why did he tell us No man can come to Jesus except the Father draw him.

(Because Jesus was totally human and the Father would have to draw mankind to His begotten (human) son. Jesus had NO personal power to do it himself.)

If Jesus is the Father (God) then he raised himself from the dead.

(When Jesus said "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father in John 14, he went on to clarify his statement that "THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME". Simply put, The Father was "INSIDE" the begotten(human) son. He was the "visible image"(embodiment) of the invisible Father. GOD WAS IN CHRIST, 2 Cor. 5:19)

The apostles did not preach Jesus only.

On the day of Pentecost, Peter preached a message that quickened the hearts of those that heard it. That same message was then preached throughout the book of acts. That message was man killed Jesus and God raised him from the dead.
The same message was preached by Paul.

1Co 15:27 For he (God)hath put all things under his (Jesus) feet. But when he (God) saith all things are put under him, (Jesus ) it is manifest that he (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him.(Jesus)
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,(God) then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (God) that put all things under him,(Jesus ) that God may be all in all.

(The universal message of the gospel was not God and Jesus, But GOD IN JESUS...That is oneness...GOD (IN) JESUS)

Disciple4life · #9 04-20-2014, 06:28 PM

By the way I grew up in the Assembly of God. It took me awhile to understand.
It is perfectly fine if you don't get it instantaneously.
It took me about six months.

Anyway God Bless.

Disciple4life · #10 04-20-2014, 09:39 PM

No need to applaud me Jfrog. I was raised Assembly of God and had to study for a long time to figure everything out. One thing I am certain is that the early Oneness Pentecostals (Goss and Urshan) were not scared to use any terminology to teach about their new understanding of the Godhead.

I think it was Goss who said we believe in the real tri-unity. Wow you would not hear that nowadays. Do I believe in one God? Sure with all my heart, but I also think we should be able to explain most things in a simple manner.

Let the scripture wars begin!!! Ha Ha Ha!!!