Apostolics with Different Standards

[aaronliford07]

What do you think about my suggestions?

http://aaronliford.com/post/99520196...with-different

[KWSS1976]

To tell you the truth that is one reason we left our Apostolic church was my wife was noticing so of the women in the church, cutting there hair,wearing dresses to short, ETC,ETC,ETC I have no problem with it myself I am a come to church how you are type, but it is hard to watch it happen when it is also being preached against..My issue comes when you start trying to qoute scripture to back the way you dress knowing good and well it does not mean that..But some want to hold on to the Old Paths so let em..

[aaronliford07]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

To tell you the truth that is one reason we left our Apostolic church was my wife was noticing so of the women in the church, cutting there hair,wearing dresses to short, ETC,ETC,ETC I have no problem with it myself I am a come to church how you are type, but it is hard to watch it happen when it is also being preached against..My issue comes when you start trying to qoute scripture to back the way you dress knowing good and well it does not mean that..But some want to hold on to the Old Paths so let em..

Well I am definitely not against the standards that we are taught. But I do agree with you. There is an issue if it being preached against but then people turn around and do it anyways. That is hypocritical.

What scripture was you referring to that is quoted about standards but doesn't actually mean it?

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

To tell you the truth that is one reason we left our Apostolic church was my wife was noticing so of the women in the church, cutting there hair,wearing dresses to short, ETC,ETC,ETC I have no problem with it myself I am a come to church how you are type, but it is hard to watch it happen when it is also being preached against.

How is that hard to watch? All a standard does it give people something to judge others by. Are we to judge? Also you are covering up wolves in sheep's clothing. You can put on the longest skirt there is and still be a devil inwardly. A long skirt force on you will not prick your heart to towards modesty.

I will never forget sitting in at home one day looking at my secular rap music tapes and the Lord showed me how can you listen to this type of music and say you love me? Since then I have never brought or willful listened to secular rap music. God did it in literally 5 minutes. The bible tells us to examine ourselves, not the church or preacher to examine you. The preacher job is to preach, it is my job to examine myself and work out my salvation.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

How is that hard to watch? All a standard does it give people something to judge others by. Are we to judge? Also you are covering up wolves in sheep's clothing. You can put on the longest skirt there is and still be a devil inwardly. A long skirt force on you will not prick your heart to towards modesty.

I will never forget sitting in at home one day looking at my secular rap music tapes and the Lord showed me how can you listen to this type of music and say you love me? Since then I have never brought or willful listened to secular rap music. God did it in literally 5 minutes. The bible tells us to examine ourselves, not the church or preacher to examine you. The preacher job is to preach, it is my job to examine myself and work out my salvation.

Yes.

Within the Body of Christ, we do need to be able to correct those among us who are in error and, if necessary, shun them when they do not correct themselves once they are clearly shown the error of their ways.

On the contrary, we should not be attempting to judge the world.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Yes.

Within the Body of Christ, we do need to be able to correct those among us who are in error and, if necessary, shun them when they do not correct themselves once they are clearly shown the error of their ways.

On the contrary, we should not be attempting to judge the world.

So if my version of modesty does not match yours then I guess you should shun me or at least correct me?

Think about your answer before you reply.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

So if my version of modesty does not match yours then I guess you should shun me or at least correct me?

Think about your answer before you reply.

There are some things that are very clear in scripture and some things that are very clear in life.

If you were my brother or sister in Christ in error, by scripture I am ordered to at least attempt to turn you from your way of error.

Hopefully, everything can be worked out in love and humility. However, if it can't, my family and/or I can follow peace with you... from a distance.

My answer does not just apply to modesty.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

So if my version of modesty does not match yours then I guess you should shun me or at least correct me?

Think about your answer before you reply.

This is a problem that we feel like there are different versions of the truth. Most of the time a preacher preaches something he gives scripture for his position taken. People many times decide that it just isn't that important. Modesty for instance we all agree the Bible commands it, but some just feel it isn't that important so they don't have to place much emphasis on it. The question do you notice what others wear because I do. If I see an attractive woman wearing something short or tight it gets my attention negatively. Of course I don't excuse myself to indulge, but try to remove my eyes and my thoughts somewhere else. I am a brother in the Lord and it causes me to struggle and I don't believe many here will disagree.

Lets open this open to males on this thread. When you see an attractive woman wearing tight or revealing clothes are you drawn to focus on the revealed parts?

There isn't really alternate versions just some don't see the importance. I would never shun you but I would pray for you. I don't see the point in hounding someone, but at some point a pastor must teach specifics on modesty to the church. The key is for him to be led of God in how and when he presents it.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by aaronliford07

What do you think about my suggestions?

http://aaronliford.com/post/99520196...with-different

So basically you are saying let each Apostolic church do what they feel, monitor their own folks and leave other apostolic churches alone.


I have a huge problem with that. It's not truth. God did not come here so everyone could have their own opinions and set up churches according to them. There is one church, one body.

1 Corinth. 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


We are not suppose to be on our own separate islands. We are suppose to be unified.

The problem with Apostolic churches are these blanket standards to which people are judged by.

For example, most apostolic churches condemn "short skirts". They will pound you to death as to not wear them, if you do you are of your Father the devil if you do. That is not what they should be doing. They should preach/teach modesty and let people make their own personal standard.

The bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It does not say for the church to work it out.

So in a nutshell, how can we all come together as one. Get rid of these made up standards, stick to the Word and let the Holy Ghost that God gives his people lead us to perfection.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

So basically you are saying let each Apostolic church do what they feel, monitor their own folks and leave other apostolic churches alone.


I have a huge problem with that. It's not truth. God did not come here so everyone could have their own opinions and set up churches according to them. There is one church, one body.

1 Corinth. 1:10 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


We are not suppose to be on our own separate islands. We are suppose to be unified.

The problem with Apostolic churches are these blanket standards to which people are judged by.

For example, most apostolic churches condemn "short skirts". They will pound you to death as to not wear them, if you do you are of your Father the devil if you do. That is not what they should be doing. They should preach/teach modesty and let people make their own personal standard.

The bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. It does not say for the church to work it out.

So in a nutshell, how can we all come together as one. Get rid of these made up standards, stick to the Word and let the Holy Ghost that God gives his people lead us to perfection.

I've befriended some Christian Quakers who strongly believe that individuals should be allowed and encouraged to individually follow the leading of the Spirit in many of these areas as it might relate to them individually. That's called... a personal relationship with God.