5 fold ministry

[allstate1]

Could someone point me to a thread or study material on this subject? I just don't agree with the common interpretation!

[KeptByTheWord]

What is the "common" interpretation you speak of? Let me guess... that the pastor fulfills in one man all five roles of the 5-fold ministry?

There have been plenty of discussions on that subject on AFF, but are probably buried in other threads by titles that don't specifically state the subject.

So, I guess this thread is as good a place as any to start a new discussion. Go ahead and share what you think the "common" interpretation is for starters.

[allstate1]

I was actually referring to the wording in the KJV. The wording "to some he gave" becomes "he gave some to be". These two phrases mean something totally different to me.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

What is the "common" interpretation you speak of? Let me guess... that the pastor fulfills in one man all five roles of the 5-fold ministry?
There have been plenty of discussions on that subject on AFF, but are probably buried in other threads by titles that don't specifically state the subject.

So, I guess this thread is as good a place as any to start a new discussion. Go ahead and share what you think the "common" interpretation is for starters.

Never even heard of that one.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Never even heard of that one.

It was taught in the church I grew up in. We had one pastor in the church. There were no elders, bishops, deacons or anything of that sort. It was taught that the pastor fulfilled all the roles of the 5-fold ministry.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

It was taught in the church I grew up in. We had one pastor in the church. There were no elders, bishops, deacons or anything of that sort. It was taught that the pastor fulfilled all the roles of the 5-fold ministry.

I didn't know you and I attended the same church back then. lol

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Bowas

I didn't know you and I attended the same church back then. lol

[allstate1]

It would also seem that pastors and teachers are combined. Making it a 4 fold ministry.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I was actually referring to the wording in the KJV. The wording "to some he gave" becomes "he gave some to be". These two phrases mean something totally different to me.

But not necessarily in old English.

[Lafon]

I think the problem has arisen simply because many have concluded that the "gifts" which Christ gave unto men when He ascended up on high, must be interpreted to imply/infer that He appointed certain individual saints to "offices" within His church, bestowing upon them "titles" as "apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers," when in fact, this was NOT what Paul was stating at all!

IMHO, in Ephesians 4:11 wherein Paul was referring to the "gifts of the Spirit," as mentioned in I Corinthians 12.

In I Corinthians 12:28 Paul wrote that "God hath SET some in the church" to "function" in various roles. The word "set" means to "situate, appoint, call, or approve" selected individuals, "as He wills" (see verse #11) to perform "functions" as apostles, prophets, and teachers.

These are NOT, repeat, are NOT "offices" or "titles" within an assembly of saints to which one member is appointed by the other members, nor are they "positions" which is bestowed upon one because of their standing socially, according to education (credentials), or heritage (i.e., passed from father to son, as in the former Levitical priesthood).

Therefore NONE can lay claim as being either an "apostle, prophet, or teacher" except they be endowed by God with the "gift" (i.e., knowledge) required to accomplish such "functions" in His church!

My opinion anyway!