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04-02-2016, 01:10 PM
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Dismount your high horse......
...please all you Anti-Trumpers and everyone else and carefully consider the words of Rush Limbuagh from yesterday.
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Folks, I was just talking about the passion that exists on both sides here. The passion that Trump voters have for him is equaled by the passion they have in opposition to Cruz, and it's the same with Cruz people. Cruz supporters are so passionate of Cruz, and they are so, so angry and frustrated with Trump supporters for not seeing the light. And the Republican Party had better be careful, because if they end up tiring a fire hose on the passions of all of these voters, there is no way the party survives, and that's what this is.
You've got this burning passion. You've got a significant segment of Republican voters, it's a large group of people, all of the energy in this primary season is on the Republican side. Look at that turnout. That turnout is through the roof. The establishment doesn't have a single person that could generate that type of turnout. There's not a single person they can choose from their fresh faces that would come anywhere near equaling this kind of excitement. Nowhere near maintaining this kind of excitement leading to continued turnout records, which are happening in primaries.
If they do what these stories indicate they're thinking of doing, it's the equivalent of turning a fire hose on these passions and potentially on both groups of voters. And if just one of these groups of voters decides to sit it out, then it doesn't matter what fresh face they come up with. And that's why there are some people who think that the Republican establishment is totally cool with that, totally cool with maintaining the establishment, but losing to Hillary, because at least they maintain themselves. They sustain in their jobs, they sustain in their lifestyles, they remain entrenched where they are. But I don't know how you quell these passions and then convert this passion to somebody who has not run or somebody who has run and has been shellacked, but apparently it's what they're plotting or planning.
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It's fine to hate Trump, to love Cruz and to be frustrated with those who do not agree, all in the name of "principle". But if I went strictly by principle I'd be voting for the Constitution Party candidate or writing in Ron Paul's name. There comes a time when we must balance principle with pragmatism. So then, what do all of you think is going to happen at the convention? If Rush is right as to there being an establishment conspiracy (which Rush , Sean and I agree on), then do we just cover our eyes and ears and cling only to "principle"? What are your thoughts?
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04-02-2016, 01:14 PM
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Re: Dismount your high horse......
Yes, vote Trump. Lol
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04-02-2016, 03:16 PM
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Re: Dismount your high horse......
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Yes, vote Trump. Lol
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FlamingZword cut it out!
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04-04-2016, 07:58 AM
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Re: Dismount your high horse......
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FlamingZword cut it out! 
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I am definitely not the flamer.
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04-02-2016, 03:27 PM
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Give it up, O. I'm #NeverTrump. I understand the rumors going around about what the establishment wants to do.
However, I'm not going to abandon my principles and vote for a pro-choice, faux conservative who doesn't know the role of government or what the role of a SCOTUS Justice is, just so I can put my thumb in the eye of the establishment.
Not going to happen.
Just as the establishment seems willing to lose to Hillary to keep control of the party, I'm willing to lose to Hillary instead of voting for a fake and a fraud like Donald J. Trump.
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04-02-2016, 08:53 PM
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Re: Dismount your high horse......
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Give it up, O. I'm #NeverTrump. I understand the rumors going around about what the establishment wants to do.
However, I'm not going to abandon my principles and vote for a pro-choice, faux conservative who doesn't know the role of government or what the role of a SCOTUS Justice is, just so I can put my thumb in the eye of the establishment.
Not going to happen.
Just as the establishment seems willing to lose to Hillary to keep control of the party, I'm willing to lose to Hillary instead of voting for a fake and a fraud like Donald J. Trump.
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04-03-2016, 04:03 AM
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Re: Dismount your high horse......
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Give it up, O. I'm #NeverTrump. I understand the rumors going around about what the establishment wants to do.
However, I'm not going to abandon my principles and vote for a pro-choice, faux conservative who doesn't know the role of government or what the role of a SCOTUS Justice is, just so I can put my thumb in the eye of the establishment.
Not going to happen.
Just as the establishment seems willing to lose to Hillary to keep control of the party, I'm willing to lose to Hillary instead of voting for a fake and a fraud like Donald J. Trump.
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Pro choice? Didn't he just say if a woman had an abortion she should be punished? To me that makes much more sense than what anyone else is saying. Isnt the woman the one offering up the Baby to be killed? If abortion is murder then the woman ultimately is to blame for it.
I think Trump may be the first candidate to think of this. But alas he back pedaled. And yet it seemed it was his first and honest response.
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04-04-2016, 08:50 AM
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Re: Dismount your high horse......
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Give it up, O. I'm #NeverTrump. I understand the rumors going around about what the establishment wants to do.
However, I'm not going to abandon my principles and vote for a pro-choice, faux conservative who doesn't know the role of government or what the role of a SCOTUS Justice is, just so I can put my thumb in the eye of the establishment.
Not going to happen.
Just as the establishment seems willing to lose to Hillary to keep control of the party, I'm willing to lose to Hillary instead of voting for a fake and a fraud like Donald J. Trump.
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8 years ago people wouldn't vote for McCain on principle. 4 years ago they wouldn't vote for Romney on principle. Eight years of Obama have bee the result of conservatives staying home because they didn't like their choices.
Well pat yourself on the back if we get Hillary. Because four to eight years of Hillary will be FAR FAR WORSE than a Trump presidency. I didn't vote for him in the primaries but I didn't vote for McCain or Romney either.
That's why the liberals keep changing this country because they are SMART ENOUGH to know if they can't have it all in one candidate, they can get enough. So they incrementally erode our nation into something unrecognizable, while conservatives stay home and feel morally superior because they didn't vote for someone they couldn't feel 100% good about.
Did you stay home in 2008? Did you vote for some third party candidate? 2012? Will you stay home this year? It's a mistake and short sighted.
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04-04-2016, 08:53 AM
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8 years ago people wouldn't vote for McCain on principle. 4 years ago they wouldn't vote for Romney on principle. Eight years of Obama have bee the result of conservatives staying home because they didn't like their choices.
Well pat yourself on the back if we get Hillary. Because four to eight years of Hillary will be FAR FAR WORSE than a Trump presidency. I didn't vote for him in the primaries but I didn't vote for McCain or Romney either.
That's why the liberals keep changing this country because they are SMART ENOUGH to know if they can't have it all in one candidate, they can get enough. So they incrementally erode our nation into something unrecognizable, while conservatives stay home and feel morally superior because they didn't vote for someone they couldn't feel 100% good about.
Did you stay home in 2008? Did you vote for some third party candidate? 2012? Will you stay home this year? It's a mistake and short sighted.
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Totally correct.
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04-04-2016, 09:53 AM
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Re: Dismount your high horse......
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
8 years ago people wouldn't vote for McCain on principle. 4 years ago they wouldn't vote for Romney on principle. Eight years of Obama have bee the result of conservatives staying home because they didn't like their choices.
Well pat yourself on the back if we get Hillary. Because four to eight years of Hillary will be FAR FAR WORSE than a Trump presidency. I didn't vote for him in the primaries but I didn't vote for McCain or Romney either.
That's why the liberals keep changing this country because they are SMART ENOUGH to know if they can't have it all in one candidate, they can get enough. So they incrementally erode our nation into something unrecognizable, while conservatives stay home and feel morally superior because they didn't vote for someone they couldn't feel 100% good about.
Did you stay home in 2008? Did you vote for some third party candidate? 2012? Will you stay home this year? It's a mistake and short sighted.
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There isn't much difference between Hillary and Trump. Trump talks about tariffs (good article - Donald Trump is No Capitalist - http://www.marketwatch.com/story/don...-1302540677772), how he loves eminent domain, government healthcare, etc. It's all big government. Trump has an authoritarian streak which simply means, throw principles out the window.
So, will I vote for Trump if he is the nominee? No. I will vote third party. If America gets Hillary, they get her. I didn't vote for Romney and I refuse to vote for Trump.
Donald Trump is not a Republican, so it really doesn't matter. He is running the nastiest, dirtiest campaign, full of violence and classless rhetoric. I saw his son Eric carrying forth his lies toward Ted Cruz on Fox and Friends - the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. No lie is beneath Eric Trump anymore than his own father. No other candidate has been as dirty and low as the scum of the earth - Donald J. Trump Corleone.
The GOP Establishment has pushed against the candidate who has fought all of his life to restore our Constitution. The media has given Donald Trump BILLIONS of dollars in FREE advertisement. I am glad that Ted Cruz called out Sean Hannity saying that both he and O'Reilly have been very, very friendly to Donald and that we need fair moderators. I will add Greta to that list.
Megyn Kelly seems to have done a 180 and has given Ted Cruz fair time. She will be having a townhall with him today. That's a big difference from Hannity giving Donald a townhall every Monday before a primary vote the next day.
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