The Christian Right

[Esphes45]

I am going to say this and it probably will offend alot of people in the forum.

Those of you who live in the US and are apart of the "Christian Right" and are for laws that want to prohibit abortion and anti-gay marriage need to remember that the US is not heaven. God went away to prepare a place for us. The Christian Right need to stop trying to force their beliefs down people throats and realize the US could have easily been a Muslim country and Christians wouldn't have the freedom they do in the US. Thank God for separation for church and state!

Jesus didn't bother with trying to change laws so why should I? As long as these laws do prohibit me from trying to be like Jesus, other can do what they want. Leave me alone.

All the Christian Right people are doing is setting a bad example for us sane Christians. Forcing your beliefs on others is not shining the light.

[Esaias]

All politics is legislated morality. So which moral code is to be legislated? God's? Or man's?

Most Christians prefer man's rule rather than God's, unfortunately.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I am going to say this and it probably will offend alot of people in the forum.

Those of you who live in the US and are apart of the "Christian Right" and are for laws that want to prohibit abortion and anti-gay marriage need to remember that the US is not heaven. God went away to prepare a place for us. The Christian Right need to stop trying to force their beliefs down people throats and realize the US could have easily been a Muslim country and Christians wouldn't have the freedom they do in the US. Thank God for separation for church and state!

Jesus didn't bother with trying to change laws so why should I? As long as these laws do prohibit me from trying to be like Jesus, other can do what they want. Leave me alone.

All the Christian Right people are doing is setting a bad example for us sane Christians. Forcing your beliefs on others is not shining the light.

The Christian Right would get 90% of what it wants by default if we went strictly by Constitution. But instead of trying to restore Constitutional government,the Christian Right tries to fix everything by pushing to get "good judges" appointed. But you seem to advocating Christians not being involved in the political process.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Originalist

But you seem to advocating Christians not being involved in the political process.

I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that the Christian Right should not be trying to legislate the bible. They should concentrate on living the bible and let their light shine.

Realize that everyone in the US is not a Christian and people have the right NOT to be one. Freedom of religion, Freedom to choose, Separation of church and state.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that the Christian Right should not be trying to legislate the bible. They should concentrate on living the bible and let their light shine.

Realize that everyone in the US is not a Christian and people have the right NOT to be one. Freedom of religion, Freedom to choose, Separation of church and state.

That's all fine. But if anything is imposed on a State through unconstitutional Federal overreach, it needs to be resisted. If a sovereign State chooses to allow gay marriage or not allow it , etc that is their right.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that the Christian Right should not be trying to legislate the bible. They should concentrate on living the bible and let their light shine.

Realize that everyone in the US is not a Christian and people have the right NOT to be one. Freedom of religion, Freedom to choose, Separation of church and state.

All voting Americans vote their values whether it be Christian or atheist. Why is it that Christians tell other Christians not to vote for their values?

Does any of the US citizens make laws? We vote for representatives to stand in for us and our values.

If we elected Christians that sought government offices we might see a difference in some of the legislating in this country and it would be done through democracy. It would be fair across the board.

The thing is that the horrible laws being passed is because of our elected government. Whom we the American people are electing. We can't instantly change the government, but we certainly can try to change the voters. The Muslims may be wrong in their methods but they have the right idea. To overwhelm others by their numbers. We need to see more people saved. Over time the Lord willing it will change the nation.

I agree that Christians should act like Christians even when things aren't going their way.

[shazeep]

just don't get an abortion, maybe? I mean, murder is against the law, how many people have been murdered since then?

Originally Posted by good samaritan

All voting Americans vote their values whether it be Christian or atheist. Why is it that Christians tell other Christians not to vote for their values?

because voting implies acceptance of and fealty to a human government, and is a rejection of God. We vote for people, not values, strictly speaking; except in a referendum, which of course the ptb strive to avoid.

Originally Posted by good samaritan

If we elected Christians that sought government offices we might see a difference in some of the legislating in this country and it would be done through democracy.

i think most of your polits are professing Christians, GS, and they have got us to here. Democracy is just the latest fashion for a whore, at the end of the day.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by shazeep

because voting implies acceptance of and fealty to a human government, and is a rejection of God. We vote for people, not values, strictly speaking; except in a referendum, which of course the ptb strive to avoid.

I disagree with you on Christians not voting. Of course we vote for people, but the character of the person is what everyone is looking for. Our character is made up of a value system that a person has. As far as this election goes, I don't think I can in good conscious vote.

i think most of your polits are professing Christians, GS, and they have got us to here. Democracy is just the latest fashion for a whore, at the end of the day.

That is why we need a revival of the people. We need to see a change in our definition of what it means to be a Christian in this country. Any human government will become corrupt when it turns from God. Democracy is not what made this country great, but it has been blessings of God. The two greatest commandments is love God and love fellow man. If those two commandments be at the foundation of any government then you will see a blessed people.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by shazeep

just don't get an abortion, maybe? I mean, murder is against the law, how many people have been murdered since then?
because voting implies acceptance of and fealty to a human government, and is a rejection of God. We vote for people, not values, strictly speaking; except in a referendum, which of course the ptb strive to avoid.
i think most of your polits are professing Christians, GS, and they have got us to here. Democracy is just the latest fashion for a whore, at the end of the day.

That's like saying that accepting a job implies acceptance of and fealty to human provision , and is a rejection of God.

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

All voting Americans vote their values whether it be Christian or atheist. Why is it that Christians tell other Christians not to vote for their values?

Does any of the US citizens make laws? We vote for representatives to stand in for us and our values.

That's the problem. The CR vote their values. You can't force your values on other people. People want to reference OT scripture to justify making laws to force people in follow their values. But the NT does exist and Jesus never did that!