Destined To Reign

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

second quote bump for bro joe

Joseph Prince says that annanias and saphira were not christians. they are referred to in acts as "there was a man named annanias" whereas to christians the book of acts would say, "there is a disciple named...". The name of annanias means grace, but when saphira is added it means mixing grace with law because the law was written on saphire stone. christ was judged for the sins of believers, there is no more judgement for believers. all of our future sins were forgiven at repentance and faith in christ. Knowing that your sins are forgiven should empower you to live above sin.

They were in the church. Dude's way off base. He's trying to say there is no backsliding, which is unscriptural. See Hebrews.

[houston]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

They were in the church. Dude's way off base. He's trying to say there is no backsliding, which is unscriptural. See Hebrews.

What about Hebrews?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

That's bogus.

One example. If future sins are forgiven when one believes, then why was Annanias and Sapphira struck dead for lying to the Holy Ghost?

If they were already forgiven, why would this have happened?
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I don't really know if Ananias and Sapphira were saved or not.
One explanation of what happened is that they were delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh that their spirits might be saved" according to 1 Corinthians 5

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by Sam

I don't really know if Ananias and Sapphira were saved or not.
One explanation of what happened is that they were delivered over to satan for the destruction of the flesh that their spirits might be saved" according to 1 Corinthians 5

If true they wouldn't have been allowed back in front of Peter, I believe. Or Peter wouldn't have accepted Ananias's money before he had a chance to lie.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by houston

What about Hebrews?

Hebrews 6:1 Wherefore let us cease to speak of the first principles of Christ, and press on unto perfection; not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 of the teaching of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (ESV)

Backsliding is scriptural for a new Testament believer. If you don't wanna go to heaven, God won't hold you hostage.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i believe I watched that series several months ago. But even bro Bernard is now talking about apostolic "identity". standards are about identity not biblical holiness.

Standards (most) are about modesty. Holiness standards (don't like the term) - my standard of Holiness is Christ Himself. None will attain until were are raptured and translated.

Hair belief is about submission, authority and obedience. If you want to use one man's book and twisting of scripture (sounds Calvanistic I might add) to justify any steps you are taking/about to take that's up to you. Get ready to throw baptism in Jesus name and the Oneness of God out the window because those will soon follow, and I am sure you will get a standing ovation from several of the more mainstream Christians on this board.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

You know what is meant by that terminology.

Yes, Bro. Robbins, I know what is meant by the terminology, but I just HAD to inject some smart mouth remark.

People a lot smarter than I and a lot better than I have argued over the security of the believer and have not agreed with one another. I think we have seen extremes both ways ranging from the "Once in grace always in grace but with a dirty face" to people who are always afraid of losing their salvation through a careless word, an angry response to pain, or a minor infraction of the pastor's teaching.

The people described in Hebrews 6:1-9 were enlightened, had tasted of the heavenly gift, were partakers of the Holy Ghost, and had tasted of the good Word of God and the power of the world to come. This sounds like they were not just nibbling on samples but had committed at one time. Now they had "fallen away" and it was "impossible" to renew them to repentance. Some say this could only refer to those who had left the sacrificial and legal system of the law, accepted Christ's sacrifice and His righteousness, and then later repudiated Him and His work and went back under the law. Maybe.

The folks described in 2 Peter 2:20-22 had escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord but had later become entangled by them and and overcome. The Apostle said their latter end was worse than the beginning and it would have been better if they had not known the way of righteousness.

In Romans 9, 10, and 11 where the Apostle Paul speaks of Israels past present and future, he warns that if Israel could be cut off by unbelief we can too because we stand by faith.

I know we should not establish doctrine by a parable but in the story of forgiveness in Matthew 18:21-35, the man was forgiven a large debt but that forgiveness was rescinded when he did not forgive a debt owed to him. Jesus warns about an unforgiving attitude and seems to say we can lose our forgiveness from Him if we have an unforgiving attitude toward others.