Strange Fire Conference

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This ecumenical attitude you desire is contrary to all Christian history, including the pages of the New Testament. It was and is nothing less than a plot by the Jesuit counter-reformation to 'bring all christians back to Rome'. The Vatican still enjoins the counter-reformation. The 'ecumenical movement' where all Christians just 'love each other and unite in friendship and get along' is a creation of forces who desire to EXTINGUISH biblical christianity.

The MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION: So, what is "Biblical" Christianity?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I call them false prophets because they deny the truth about Jesus being the Almighty God and the new birth of water and Spirit. Very simple.
As concerning those who carry faith to a point way beyond myself it is before God they will answer. I know preachers and their wives who have died without doctor's care that was their choice. They promoted people to have faith in God for healing without medical aid some were healed and some died.

You don't call this 'promotion' of people to watch their infants and children die a form of false prophecy? You believe them which have done this and who do this to be men of God?

You're not addressing the issue, 'reverend'. You're running.

I do not promote that myself in fact take medicine and go to the doctor but I am not going to fault those who choose to trust God for their healing.

Right, of course you're not going to fault them for their evil teaching which results in infants and children dying, loss of husband, wife, father and mother. I know you're not, that's one of the points. You're bold and very very quick to proclaim the final judgement on those who aren't of the little sect you're a part of, but you're gutless to condemn that evil which results in death of men, women, children and infants from the godless message many in your little sect preach.

(by the which the majority of every branch of the Pentecostal movement did at one time.)

Surely doesn't make it right though, does it 'reverend'?

I have never personally buried any child I pastored because the parent refused to take them to the doctor.

You fellowship and embrace those who have in the past, or currently, do that though, don't you? Again, you know the churches you fellowship with and you know whats in the graveyards next to the church. Your boldness against sin doesn't extend to those self-labeled, so-called 'apostolics' in your fellowship. Again, you're gutless when it comes to pointing out the evil which results in the deaths of men, women, children and infants. As long as the religious standards are followed, as long as the money is flowing in, everything else is ok , isn't it? Well, everything but those who aren't part of the little sect that you fellowship.

However I have preached funerals of infants who died under the doctors care. Your impugning of those who choose to believe God rather than doctors seems to be mockery to me. I do not teach that level of faith but if a man have faith let him have it between him and God alone.

It's not between him and God alone though, 'reverend'. Do you understand infants and children dying in many of the churches in your little sect because of the decisions of honest hearted men and women who are deceived by the message many 'ministers' in your sect preach? Does that actually affect you or are you so blind and religious that the deaths of the little ones because of evil preaching doesn't bother you?

You're quick to proclaim judgment on those who aren't 'apostolic' but your silence is deafening when it comes to the teachings which cause death for infants, children, mothers and fathers.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

For probably the first time......I can actually say I agree with every word Steve Eply said.

Really? You're ok with infants and children dying because of the religious beliefs of their parents?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You don't call this 'promotion' of people to watch their infants and children die a form of false prophecy? You believe them which have done this and who do this to be men of God?

You're not addressing the issue, 'reverend'. You're running.



Right, of course you're not going to fault them for their evil teaching which results in infants and children dying, loss of husband, wife, father and mother. I know you're not, that's one of the points. You're bold and very very quick to proclaim the final judgement on those who aren't of the little sect you're a part of, but you're gutless to condemn that evil which results in death of men, women, children and infants from the godless message many in your little sect preach.



Surely doesn't make it right though, does it 'reverend'?



You fellowship and embrace those who have in the past, or currently, do that though, don't you? Again, you know the churches you fellowship with and you know whats in the graveyards next to the church. Your boldness against sin doesn't extend to those self-labeled, so-called 'apostolics' in your fellowship. Again, you're gutless when it comes to pointing out the evil which results in the deaths of men, women, children and infants. As long as the religious standards are followed, as long as the money is flowing in, everything else is ok , isn't it? Well, everything but those who aren't part of the little sect that you fellowship.



It's not between him and God alone though, 'reverend'. Do you understand infants and children dying in many of the churches in your little sect because of the decisions of honest hearted men and women who are deceived by the message many 'ministers' in your sect preach? Does that actually affect you or are you so blind and religious that the deaths of the little ones because of evil preaching doesn't bother you?

You're quick to proclaim judgment on those who aren't 'apostolic' but your silence is deafening when it comes to the teachings which cause death for infants, children, mothers and fathers.

Sadly Seekerman I have buried my share of infants-husbands-wives and all were under the doctor's care. You are placing yourself in the place of God you have no idea whether those who died would have lived under doctor's care neither do I. I don't teach that those who do will answer for that. I will say this the majority of folks who practiced that has seen an abundance of healings and miracles of which most of Pentecost has not seen.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sadly Seekerman I have buried my share of infants-husbands-wives and all were under the doctor's care. You are placing yourself in the place of God you have no idea whether those who died would have lived under doctor's care neither do I. I don't teach that those who do will answer for that. I will say this the majority of folks who practiced that has seen an abundance of healings and miracles of which most of Pentecost has not seen.

And sadly 'reverend', you're continuing your evasion. As I said, you're bold when it comes to those outside your little sect but gutless when it comes to those within your little sect.

For you not to raise your voice against the teachings which result in the death of infants and children is a very plain revealing of your religiosity. To not publicly call out the teachings of those in your little sect which results in the deaths of mothers and fathers, leaving children without a mother or father, a wife without a husband, a husband without a wife, is, again, gutless and Pharisaical on your part.

You accept the deaths of infants and children. Those things are ok with you. You worry about if someone has a Christmas tree and you readily and boldly preach against such trivial things, but when it come to the life of infants and children, you turn a blind eye. You sacrifice the innocent in order to gain the acceptance of those false prophets in your little sect.

Of course you're not going to repent for your embracing of those who preach the evil message which results in the deaths of death of the innocent. You're far too comfortable in your self-righteous Pharisaical romanist system.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by seekerman

And sadly 'reverend', you're continuing your evasion. As I said, you're bold when it comes to those outside your little sect but gutless when it comes to those within your little sect.

For you not to raise your voice against the teachings which result in the death of infants and children is a very plain revealing of your religiosity. To not publicly call out the teachings of those in your little sect which results in the deaths of mothers and fathers, leaving children without a mother or father, a wife without a husband, a husband without a wife, is, again, gutless and Pharisaical on your part.

You accept the deaths of infants and children. Those things are ok with you. You worry about if someone has a Christmas tree and you readily and boldly preach against such trivial things, but when it come to the life of infants and children, you turn a blind eye. You sacrifice the innocent in order to gain the acceptance of those false prophets in your little sect.

Of course you're not going to repent for your embracing of those who preach the evil message which results in the deaths of death of the innocent. You're far too comfortable in your self-righteous Pharisaical romanist system.

Seekerman I realize you do not like me but I can live with that you will have to get in line. Hope you have a nice eternity.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Seekerman I realize you do not like me but I can live with that you will have to get in line. Hope you have a nice eternity.

And I hope you'll actually grow a backbone and point out the false prophets in your little sect which preach the evil which results in the deaths of infants and children, mothers and fathers, husbands and wives. Honestly, I don't think you'll ever grow one though.

Wanna talk about the evil of Christmans trees? Now there's a subject which really excites you, isn't it? The deaths of the innocent? Meh, not so much.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by seekerman

And I hope you'll actually grow a backbone and point out the false prophets in your little sect which preach the evil which results in the deaths of infants and children, mothers and fathers, husbands and wives. Honestly, I don't think you'll ever grow one though.

Wanna talk about the evil of Christmans trees? Now there's a subject which really excites you, isn't it? The deaths of the innocent? Meh, not so much.

Hey, he raises a valid point regarding whether people would be saved by the doctor.

Do doctors heal or cure people? Are you talking about 'simple' stuff that can be treated with an almost surefire guarantee of recovery?

The number of deaths caused by 'doctor mistake' and malfeasance, plus the number of people who die simply because the doctor did what they could but could not do enough, is pretty high. (Google is your friend on that.)

I know some who believe that if God chooses to heal someone no sickness can stop it. And if God decides it's time for someone to 'come home' no doctor can stop it either. So, they reason, might as well just leave it all up to God.

Is that really wrong?

Not picking sides on this issue, just trying to understand.

Also, it seems to me you personally know someone or lost someone who died by refusing medical care or having medical care refused for them for religious reasons. Is that true?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hey, he raises a valid point regarding whether people would be saved by the doctor.

That has nothing to do with people choosing to withhold medical attention from their infants and children because of the messages from the pulpit.

Do doctors heal or cure people? Are you talking about 'simple' stuff that can be treated with an almost surefire guarantee of recovery?

I'm simply talking about the culture of no medical care for their infants and children, or themselves, because of the preaching of those in the sect which epley is part of. Is that evil preaching that message? I think it is, especially when infants or children die.

The number of deaths caused by 'doctor mistake' and malfeasance, plus the number of people who die simply because the doctor did what they could but could not do enough, is pretty high. (Google is your friend on that.)

It's not about fear of doctor mistakes, it's about the culture of allowing infants and children to suffer and die.

I know some who believe that if God chooses to heal someone no sickness can stop it. And if God decides it's time for someone to 'come home' no doctor can stop it either. So, they reason, might as well just leave it all up to God.

Is that really wrong?

Do you believe that God is pleased when individuals withhold medical attention from their infants and children, resulting in their suffering and sometimes death?

Not picking sides on this issue, just trying to understand.

Sure, it's good to get such practices out in the open.

Also, it seems to me you personally know someone or lost someone who died by refusing medical care or having medical care refused for them for religious reasons. Is that true?

I personally know people. I can take you to their graves. I used to be part of the culture of the 'apostolics' like epley.

[Nitehawk013]

The way Seeker goes after the Elder you would think Elder had ran Seeker's mother over with a car at some point.

I think Seeker just has issues period and is fixated upon an insanely rare and fringe belief of an insanely few Apostolic ministers and somehow think Epley is wrong for not going out of his mind condemning them. I'd say Seeker just needs to get a life.