Replacement Theology Man Highlights

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Sean

The fox comparison was exactly what it was...a simple comparison.

Just like when He told the Pharisees, their father was the devil.

Jesus did not suggest, metaphorically that the devil was their father.

He told them their father was the devil, because the devil IS their spiritual father.(he is the sin/seed planter)

Nope, it is, by webster's definition, a................

Get ready Sean,

Drum Roll Please.....................







A METAPHOR

[Sean]

Secondly, we can, from the previous example, draw the conclusion that metaphors are nothing but semantic falsehood; in short, they are lies. ...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zF5wCPbD3zR0xA


Okay, you can agree with the writers of Websters that Jesus lied almost constantly.

Thats your belief system, not mine.

[Sean]

Here are more "metaphors" like the ones you think that Jesus was going around saying....




Quotes About Metaphor

Quotes tagged as "metaphor" (showing 1-30 of 397)
Virginia Woolf
“Books are the mirrors of the soul.”
― Virginia Woolf, Between the Acts

Truman Capote
“Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.”
― Truman Capote

Tahereh Mafi
“I'm oxygen and he's dying to breathe.”

Isaac Marion
“I want to change my punctuation. I long for exclamation marks, but I'm drowning in ellipses.”

Mother Teresa
“I'm a little pencil in the hand of a writing God, who is sending a love letter to the world.”

Jim Butcher
“Life is a journey. Time is a river. The door is ajar”
―
Khaled Hosseini
“People say that eyes are windows to the soul.”
―
Friedrich Nietzsche
“Doubt as sin. — Christianity has done its utmost to close the circle and declared even doubt to be sin. One is supposed to be cast into belief without reason, by a miracle, and from then on to swim in it as in the brightest and least ambiguous of elements: even a glance towards land, even the thought that one perhaps exists for something else as well as swimming, even the slightest impulse of our amphibious nature — is sin! And notice that all this means that the foundation of belief and all reflection on its origin is likewise excluded as sinful. What is wanted are blindness and intoxication and an eternal song over the waves in which reason has drowned.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Daybreak: Thoughts on the Prejudices of Morality
tags: atheism, belief, blind, blind-faith, blindness, christian-faith, christian-miracle, critical-thinking, critical-thought, death-of-reason, doubt, doubt-is-sin, eternity, existence, foundation-of-belief, human-nature, intoxication, meaning, meaning-of-life, metaphor, miracle, myth, nature, origin, philosophy, purpose, purpose-of-life, reason, reflection, religious-faith, resurrection, resurrection-of-jesus, sin, sinful, thinking, thoughts, wasted-life

“Memories are bullets. Some whiz by and only spook you. Others tear you open and leave you in pieces.”
― Richard Kadrey,

John Green
“I always thought of it like you said, that all the strings inside him broke. But there are a thousand ways to look at it: maybe the strings break, or maybe our ships sink, or maybe we’re grass—our roots so interdependent that no one is dead as long as someone is alive. We don’t suffer from a shortage of metaphors, is what I mean. But you have to be careful which metaphor you choose, because it matters. If you choose the strings, then you’re imagining a world in which you can become irreparably broken. If you choose the grass, you’re saying that we are all infinitely interconnected, that we can use these root systems not only to understand one another but to become one another. The metaphors have implications. Do you know what I mean?”
― John Green, Paper Towns

Edna St. Vincent Millay
“Into the darkness they go, the wise and the lovely. ”
―
Matt Groening
“Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.”
― Matt Groening, The Big Book of Hell

Haruki Murakami
“I said nothing for a time, just ran my fingertips along the edge of the human-shaped emptiness that had been left inside me.”
― Haruki Murakami, Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman

Karl Marx
“The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world...

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.”
― Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

“The sense of tragedy - according to Aristotle - comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues.
...
[But] we accept irony through a device called metaphor. And through that we grow and become deeper human beings.”
― Haruki Murakami, Kafka on the Shore

Mae West
“She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success wrong by wrong.”
― Mae West


Jennifer Donnelly
“Hope is the crystal meth of emotions. It hooks you fast and kills you hard.”
― Jennifer Donnelly, Revolution

Janet Evanovich
“You're a marshmallow. Soft and sweet and when you get heated up you go all gooey and delicious."-”
― Janet Evanovich, One for the Money

“The common man prays, 'I want a cookie right now!' And God responds, 'If you'd listen to what I say, tomorrow it will bring you 100 cookies.”
― Criss Jami, Killosophy


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...C-AxQD_q-K_v4w

[Sean]

Jesus did not speak ridiculous words like those above, trying to portray some meaning. He spoke in direct, simple comparisons to simple human beings.

The only exclusive sayings of Jesus were PARABLES. They were not metaphors.

Tagging Jesus' words as metaphors is condescending to the word of God.

[shazeep]

the problem is that even if that were true--which it patently is not; "parable" and "metaphor" are practically synonymous--no one will be inclined to believe you, as you have offended most everyone at this point.

Originally Posted by Sean

Secondly, we can, from the previous example, draw the conclusion that metaphors are nothing but semantic falsehood; in short, they are lies. ...
Thats your belief system, not mine.[/COLOR]

well, i don't like that example, and i suggest that God does not (relatively) care about oxen; as the Scripture i quoted demands--yet you will insist that God was indeed speaking about oxen in the passage, and that only oxen may be taken into account when contemplating the passage. And not only that, but anyone who imagines a metaphor there is lying, regardless of what Scripture says on the matter, according to you.

now i'm not interested in denigrating you for this; people, OPs...most everyone, i guess, believe some man-made tripe, at least until they stop believing it. But i will point out that you seem to be needlessly offending a lot of people, believers, by calling them liar, etc. which can only hurt your cause, and in fact is indicative (in general) of some deficiency in thought or doctrine, that cannot be defended openly.

"To sum up, we can say that metaphors can carry another meaning than what they say, and even if this meaning is false, it can still give a true idea."

(from your article) so i'd like to suggest that metaphors are indeed lies--to liars.

[Sean]

My only point is a metaphor has a broad application and is prone to falsehood.

Again, a case in point....


A man says they do not believe in a literal hell after reading this....

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


You know how he deals with this verse?

He simply says Jesus was "metaphorically" speaking.

He implies Jesus was not talking about a hell at all, but something else.

[Sean]

So, go ahead and say the Bible is laced with metaphors.

Be part of the problem.

I want to be part of the solution.

[shazeep]

hmm, not sure how i have become part of the problem, by pointing out that Scripture demands metaphors, and has verses about oxen to illustrate the point.

[Sean]

Think of the Bible as using direct comparisons, not broad minded sayings that have open ended meanings.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Here are more "metaphors" like the ones you think that Jesus was going around saying....




Quotes About Metaphor

Quotes tagged as "metaphor" (showing 1-30 of 397)
Virginia Woolf
“Books are the mirrors of the soul.”
― Virginia Woolf, Between the Acts

Truman Capote
“Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.”
― Truman Capote

Tahereh Mafi
“I'm oxygen and he's dying to breathe.”

Isaac Marion
“I want to change my punctuation. I long for exclamation marks, but I'm drowning in ellipses.”

Mother Teresa
“I'm a little pencil in the hand of a writing God, who is sending a love letter to the world.”

Jim Butcher
“Life is a journey. Time is a river. The door is ajar”
―
Khaled Hosseini
“People say that eyes are windows to the soul.”
―
Friedrich Nietzsche
“Doubt as sin. — Christianity has done its utmost to close the circle and declared even doubt to be sin. One is supposed to be cast into belief without reason, by a miracle, and from then on to swim in it as in the brightest and least ambiguous of elements: even a glance towards land, even the thought that one perhaps exists for something else as well as swimming, even the slightest impulse of our amphibious nature — is sin! And notice that all this means that the foundation of belief and all reflection on its origin is likewise excluded as sinful. What is wanted are blindness and intoxication and an eternal song over the waves in which reason has drowned.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Daybreak: Thoughts on the Prejudices of Morality
tags: atheism, belief, blind, blind-faith, blindness, christian-faith, christian-miracle, critical-thinking, critical-thought, death-of-reason, doubt, doubt-is-sin, eternity, existence, foundation-of-belief, human-nature, intoxication, meaning, meaning-of-life, metaphor, miracle, myth, nature, origin, philosophy, purpose, purpose-of-life, reason, reflection, religious-faith, resurrection, resurrection-of-jesus, sin, sinful, thinking, thoughts, wasted-life

“Memories are bullets. Some whiz by and only spook you. Others tear you open and leave you in pieces.”
― Richard Kadrey,

John Green
“I always thought of it like you said, that all the strings inside him broke. But there are a thousand ways to look at it: maybe the strings break, or maybe our ships sink, or maybe we’re grass—our roots so interdependent that no one is dead as long as someone is alive. We don’t suffer from a shortage of metaphors, is what I mean. But you have to be careful which metaphor you choose, because it matters. If you choose the strings, then you’re imagining a world in which you can become irreparably broken. If you choose the grass, you’re saying that we are all infinitely interconnected, that we can use these root systems not only to understand one another but to become one another. The metaphors have implications. Do you know what I mean?”
― John Green, Paper Towns

Edna St. Vincent Millay
“Into the darkness they go, the wise and the lovely. ”
―
Matt Groening
“Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.”
― Matt Groening, The Big Book of Hell

Haruki Murakami
“I said nothing for a time, just ran my fingertips along the edge of the human-shaped emptiness that had been left inside me.”
― Haruki Murakami, Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman

Karl Marx
“The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world...

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.”
― Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right

“The sense of tragedy - according to Aristotle - comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues.
...
[But] we accept irony through a device called metaphor. And through that we grow and become deeper human beings.”
― Haruki Murakami, Kafka on the Shore

Mae West
“She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success wrong by wrong.”
― Mae West


Jennifer Donnelly
“Hope is the crystal meth of emotions. It hooks you fast and kills you hard.”
― Jennifer Donnelly, Revolution

Janet Evanovich
“You're a marshmallow. Soft and sweet and when you get heated up you go all gooey and delicious."-”
― Janet Evanovich, One for the Money

“The common man prays, 'I want a cookie right now!' And God responds, 'If you'd listen to what I say, tomorrow it will bring you 100 cookies.”
― Criss Jami, Killosophy


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...C-AxQD_q-K_v4w

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