The Persecution of Women in the Church

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I was reading the Mrs. earlier post about unfair treatment of women through the ages. Surely other groups have been treated as unfairly if not more unfairly and I'm talking specifically about racial discrimination, prejudice and the horrible things done to MEN and women too of course as result.

There has also been religious persecution through the centuries.

I don't know that women have been pinpointed for satanic assault more than any other group of humans.

Sis. Felicity...if that were the case, why has it taken 6,000 years for women to have the right to vote?

Did you see that one of the last jurisdictions to grant women equal voting rights was Liechtenstein in 1984.

And that there are still some countries that deny/condition it?



Women's suffrage denied or conditioned

Bhutan — One vote per house. Although this applies to both men and women, in practice it currently prevents many more women from voting than men. If the new proposed constitution is voted and ratified, then no restrictions will apply by 2008.

Lebanon — Partial suffrage. Proof of elementary education is required for women but not for men. Voting is compulsory for men but optional for women.

Brunei — No suffrage for women. Neither men nor women have had the right to vote or to stand for election since 1962 because the country is governed by an absolute monarchy.

Saudi Arabia — No suffrage for women. The first local elections ever held in the country occurred in 2005. Women were not given the right to vote or to stand for election.

United Arab Emirates — Limited, but will be fully expanded by 2010.

Vatican City — No suffrage for women; while most men in the Vatican also lack the vote, all persons with suffrage in Papal conclaves (the Cardinals) are male.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I do not discount satan, but the works of the flesh are bad enough without getting the devil involved in any way.

Agreed.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Sis. Felicity...if that were the case, why has it taken 6,000 years for women to have the right to vote?

Did you see that one of the last jurisdictions to grant women equal voting rights was Liechtenstein in 1984.

And that there are still some countries that deny/condition it?



Women's suffrage denied or conditioned

Bhutan — One vote per house. Although this applies to both men and women, in practice it currently prevents many more women from voting than men. If the new proposed constitution is voted and ratified, then no restrictions will apply by 2008.

Lebanon — Partial suffrage. Proof of elementary education is required for women but not for men. Voting is compulsory for men but optional for women.

Brunei — No suffrage for women. Neither men nor women have had the right to vote or to stand for election since 1962 because the country is governed by an absolute monarchy.

Saudi Arabia — No suffrage for women. The first local elections ever held in the country occurred in 2005. Women were not given the right to vote or to stand for election.

United Arab Emirates — Limited, but will be fully expanded by 2010.

Vatican City — No suffrage for women; while most men in the Vatican also lack the vote, all persons with suffrage in Papal conclaves (the Cardinals) are male.

This is all bad stuff.

But the reason some of us got a little testy right off the bat was that the title of the thread didn't say anything about Moslem or other third world countries; it was the Church homeboy took a whack at.

Originally Posted by Rachel

Agreed.

Unredeemed flesh belongs to Satan. That's why it will die. The wages of sin is death.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

This is all bad stuff.

But the reason some of us got a little testy right off the bat was that the title of the thread didn't say anything about Moslem or other third world countries; it was the Church homeboy took a whack at.

Not true that was your biased perception. There have been many churches including other religions. You just perceived I was talking about the first church of _____.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

This is all bad stuff.

But the reason some of us got a little testy right off the bat was that the title of the thread didn't say anything about Moslem or other third world countries; it was the Church homeboy took a whack at.

I guess we all read it with different perspectives. I think it was the global view and the historical view that intrigued me.

I just found it an interesting topic. I'd never really thought of the fact that the denigration of women throughout the ages could have come from the fact that it was satan's intentions and plan all along.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Not true that was your biased perception. There have been many churches including other religions. You just perceived I was talking about the first church of _____.

There is only one church as far as the Scripture is concerned...of course, I have no idea whether those particular passages are in whatever books or chapters or verses you acknowledge as Holy Writ.

So when you title the thread like you did, what were we supposed to assume?

Not some local assembly, but the Apostolic church.

This is an Apostolic forum.

Read the rules. That is the assumed paradigm of posters here.

Had you titled it, "the Persecution of Women through the Ages Around the World by Various Entities Including Some Religions," it would have been another matter.

[The Mrs]

In the OT Tabernacles, the women had their own 'porch', and were not allowed in certain areas. Was that God's design? or man's?

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Sis. Felicity...if that were the case, why has it taken 6,000 years for women to have the right to vote?

Did you see that one of the last jurisdictions to grant women equal voting rights was Liechtenstein in 1984.

And that there are still some countries that deny/condition it?



Women's suffrage denied or conditioned

Bhutan — One vote per house. Although this applies to both men and women, in practice it currently prevents many more women from voting than men. If the new proposed constitution is voted and ratified, then no restrictions will apply by 2008.

Lebanon — Partial suffrage. Proof of elementary education is required for women but not for men. Voting is compulsory for men but optional for women.

Brunei — No suffrage for women. Neither men nor women have had the right to vote or to stand for election since 1962 because the country is governed by an absolute monarchy.

Saudi Arabia — No suffrage for women. The first local elections ever held in the country occurred in 2005. Women were not given the right to vote or to stand for election.

United Arab Emirates — Limited, but will be fully expanded by 2010.

Vatican City — No suffrage for women; while most men in the Vatican also lack the vote, all persons with suffrage in Papal conclaves (the Cardinals) are male.

Excellent information. The church is not immune from society as we all know. Society has a tendency to bleed through to the church. I live in a part of the country where the black communities have their churches and the white have theirs. My church is one of the few multi-cultural churches in our area.

Anyway, back to religion and the church. The religious zealouts of the past and our time have always targeted women. This is going to be a controversial statement, but generally speaking a women is persecuted by a man. I know there are exceptions to the rule; grown kids, lesbians, etc. But for the most part her abuse or persecution comes through the male dominance in her life.

The countries which you mentioned, many do not have women participating in govt. Socially women have been an outcast and considered sub-standard.

Even in the U.S., over the last century certain jobs were not given to women except through necessity. Women were not allowed in male dominated universities and could not even be considered to practice medicine without the supervision of men.

Spiritually speaking those countries that persecute women are very dark. Satan rules. Paganism, idolatry, religious zealouts, etc. have all persecuted women. Even in pagan Rome with regard to the worship of the sex goddesses, that was a form of persecution. Women were seen as objects of desire by men and could be bought and sold accordingly.

Jesus came to liberate women too. "He that the son sets free is free indeed." The gospel message isn't about dominance, persecution, or substandard humanity, its about abundant life in Christ. God's kingdom does not discriminate or persecute women. In the church, out of the church, mormonism, islamism, buddihism, whatever, my point is this, God's kingdom does not persecute or destroy women!

The kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost!!!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

In the OT Tabernacles, the women had their own 'porch', and were not allowed in certain areas. Was that God's design? or man's?

Was this something that the Scripture proscribed?

Or was it something added by the priests, like the Talmudic laws?

Refresh my memory.

If it was Scripture, it was God's design.

If not, it was man's.

So what is the point either way?