The Trouble With Patience

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Repentest thou.

Loooord, I apologize!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Barb

Oops...that lets me out!!

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

yum yum Felicity!

I'm jealous.

Haha!

Honestly, I'd love to share but I'm taking them with me to a ladies meeting. Too bad.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Matthew,

The scenario you mentioned would be best, but it is not always possible. Many pastors do not know how to mentor, and are afraid to "turn a young man loose". Now that is exact lingo I've heard many times in my life.

Some young men will never "be ready" because daddy won't let them "be ready". He won't help them get ready, and he uses their lack of ability against them.

It's like asking a bird to fly, whose wings have been clipped.

You may ask, "What does this have to do with licensing"?

The emphasis should be placed upon ministry. Licensing is secondary, as evidenced by the requirement to have preached at least once a month for six months.

If I minister does not know how to lead and bring a young preacher to maturity, it is very likely that he does not know how to bring a saint to maturity either. He has likely become the problem, and not the solution, and needs HIS license and pulpit taken from him until he can learn how to lead.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rrford

Esther, this post, particularly the part at the end of the post, shows you know little of the real structure of current BC education. I do not know of one BC that "teaches" anyone to preach. In fact, most BC's offer only one or two courses during a students entire enrollment that would deal with pulpit preachihg in some way.


Brother I have never been to BC I am just going by what I have been told by those that have.
As for it being a great place to book future revivals, such a comment is belittling to those who give their life to BC work.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

BC can be a great place to network, yes?

That is what I hear.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

BC can be a great place to network, yes?

Yes , Bible College is a great place to network, but that is not the primary function of the experience. The purpose is to equip men and women for service. The effectiveness of our present endeavor is questionable.

[Felicity]

I think the Bible School I went to was extremely effective in equipping men for ministry! You got so much practical experience as far as opportunities for pulpit ministry within the district. Students were sent out every weekend to churches in the Maritimes and other parts of New England -- even to Quebec and Ontario.

I'm thankful I spent 2 years there. I had an awesome time! Wouldn't trade it for all the tea in China.

Was there a hint of offense coming along with the idea that Bible school helps in preparing relationships and contacts, that will be useful in ministry?

I hope not! Making connections is vital to development in the ministry as we know it today. Rarely does a minister prosper who does not have moderate to extensive connections across the fellowship.

We could say and have said that BC education is very valuable, but we have to admit that it is not absolutely necessary. Could we say the same thing about good friendships and relationships? I doubt it.

In fact, working relationships with good men and women who are committed to this faith are more likely to produce lasting improvements and maturing in that young preacher, or Christian worker. (Is it necessary to mention that this holds true for relationships to quality people? Perhaps, but even connections to men and women who can, by a bad example, instruct in what not to do or be, can have a powerful and lasting effect.) Don't we expect life to instruct us? Then let's expand the lives of those who we mentor. Bible College connections can do this.

Ideally, the Bible College instructor will also be a close relationship to the young minister but this is not a guarentee by any means.

As to mentoring and helping young people to find the will of God in their lives, how wonderful it would be if this was a general fact. But lets face the facts. Pastors and knowldgeable saints are cautious about sending their young people to our Bible schools because of the very high occasion of finding that the "will of God" is, according to the counsellors:

- Stay here and help at our church
- Marry one of the young ladies and stay to work at the school
- Use your talents Help the music director to obtain fame (and keep his job)
- Go demand a certain salary from a large church

and rarely includes

- Go home an bring your experience and education back to your home church and bless those who sent you and that environment where God planted you.

So, I do believe that our Bible College laborers have some thinking to do about how to present a product that best services the movement. They do well, but their continuation is shakey at best from where I sit.

And with all that I am an ...

Advocate

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Advocate

Was there a hint of offense coming along with the idea that Bible school helps in preparing relationships and contacts, that will be useful in ministry?

I hope not! Making connections is vital to development in the ministry as we know it today. Rarely does a minister prosper who does not have moderate to extensive connections across the fellowship.

We could say and have said that BC education is very valuable, but we have to admit that it is not absolutely necessary. Could we say the same thing about good friendships and relationships? I doubt it.

In fact, working relationships with good men and women who are committed to this faith are more likely to produce lasting improvements and maturing in that young preacher, or Christian worker. (Is it necessary to mention that this holds true for relationships to quality people? Perhaps, but even connections to men and women who can, by a bad example, instruct in what not to do or be, can have a powerful and lasting effect.) Don't we expect life to instruct us? Then let's expand the lives of those who we mentor. Bible College connections can do this.

Ideally, the Bible College instructor will also be a close relationship to the young minister but this is not a guarentee by any means.

As to mentoring and helping young people to find the will of God in their lives, how wonderful it would be if this was a general fact. But lets face the facts. Pastors and knowldgeable saints are cautious about sending their young people to our Bible schools because of the very high occasion of finding that the will of God is:

- Stay here and help at our church
- Marry one of the young ladies and stay to work at the school
- Use your talents Help the music director to obtain fame (and keep his job)
- Go demand a certain salary from a large church

and rarely includes

- Go home an bring your experience and education back to your home church and bless those who sent you and that environment where God planted you.

So, I do believe that our Bible College laborers have some thinking to do about how to present a product that best services the movement. They do well, but their continuation is shakey at best from where I sit.

And with all that I am an ...

Advocate

Please don't ever stop posting on this forum!

Your words are true, and dripping with the wisdom only someone who has "been there" could possess. Truth is, there is good and bad involved in the whole bible college experience.

It would do us no good to ignore either extreme.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Yes , Bible College is a great place to network, but that is not the primary function of the experience. The purpose is to equip men and women for service. The effectiveness of our present endeavor is questionable.

Oh, so your one of those "Bible School" preachers.......that explains a lot......

Just teasing. I don't see any problem with having Bible Colleges (networking or no ).

Some of my friends went to bible college.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Advocate

Was there a hint of offense coming along with the idea that Bible school helps in preparing relationships and contacts, that will be useful in ministry?

I hope not! Making connections is vital to development in the ministry as we know it today. Rarely does a minister prosper who does not have moderate to extensive connections across the fellowship.

We could say and have said that BC education is very valuable, but we have to admit that it is not absolutely necessary. Could we say the same thing about good friendships and relationships? I doubt it.

In fact, working relationships with good men and women who are committed to this faith are more likely to produce lasting improvements and maturing in that young preacher, or Christian worker. (Is it necessary to mention that this holds true for relationships to quality people? Perhaps, but even connections to men and women who can, by a bad example, instruct in what not to do or be, can have a powerful and lasting effect.) Don't we expect life to instruct us? Then let's expand the lives of those who we mentor. Bible College connections can do this.

Ideally, the Bible College instructor will also be a close relationship to the young minister but this is not a guarentee by any means.

As to mentoring and helping young people to find the will of God in their lives, how wonderful it would be if this was a general fact. But lets face the facts. Pastors and knowldgeable saints are cautious about sending their young people to our Bible schools because of the very high occasion of finding that the "will of God" is, according to the counsellors:

- Stay here and help at our church
- Marry one of the young ladies and stay to work at the school
- Use your talents Help the music director to obtain fame (and keep his job)
- Go demand a certain salary from a large church

and rarely includes

- Go home an bring your experience and education back to your home church and bless those who sent you and that environment where God planted you.

So, I do believe that our Bible College laborers have some thinking to do about how to present a product that best services the movement. They do well, but their continuation is shakey at best from where I sit.

And with all that I am an ...

Advocate

Awesome!!!