Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Make it

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

No trini will say three Gods. They will say ONE God thinking three persons each being God.
Do you KNOW what they think?

There is no light there. It is all darkness and is an abomination, the first of the three unclean frogs of Rev. 16. It is the grand abomination that desolated the early church.
Huh?

Such will not enter into heaven. There will be no possibility of changing their minds, that is to repent of error.
ev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
I thought the only ones who had no chance of changing their minds were those guilty of blaspheming the Holy Ghost?

Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
My speech is very mild compared to the speech of the prophets. I care about people's souls, thus, I will leave them no room to consider that they might enter into the gates of the heavenly Jerusalem.

They are not my brethren for they have neither been born again of the water The natural birth and of the Spirit infilling of the holy spirit according to Jn. 3:5. Except a man is thus born, he cannot enter into heaven.
Your right there! But this is not that complicated.... After all the only thing the thief on the cross had to do was say 'remember me'.


For all whom I have spoken too, there can be no doubt about what is the truth though I suffer the reproach of the gospel. Call me unkind if you wish but it would be far better for me to be considered unkind, uncaring and even unfriendly than to let them drop into hell to be lost forever.

A preacher that is unclear in his message leaving a sinner feeling comfortable in his sin, is as guilty as the sinner himself. He will give an account for his fool hearty disposition of the gospel before men.
Who said anything about making someone feel comfortable i their sin? Granted, all JESUS (know who He is?) said "go and sin no more". He didn't spend an hour preaching in her face.

I'm done here.

Bye.

In red.

[KeptByTheWord]

Apprehended - after reading through this entire post of 22 pages, to *try* to sum up in a nutshell what you are trying to get across to us, is that you truly believe that unless one has a "revelation" of Jesus being the son of God, that they cannot get into heaven? That if they think they will see one god, but in reality three persons, they will not get into heaven's gates?

You mentioned in one of your posts, John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone which seeth the Son and believeth on him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

If I believe with all my heart that Jesus died for my sins, if I SEE the Son as Jesus, as the savior of the world, then I believe on him, I will have everlasting life! That is a promise. Now how can you determine that others have not "seen" Jesus? I don't understand that. Understanding God completely will NEVER be possible in our human bodies and existance. Believing in God, trusting, repenting, having faith yes, but completely understanding God is something not within our human realm. Mankind is still trying to search out science, and the end of the universe as we speak, and no one yet, has been able to understand life, and where it comes from! We cannot as humans, ever completely understand the mind of God, and how he chooses to reveal himself! It remains a mystery, but one thing is sure, Jesus being diety, God himself, was the supreme sacrifice for our sins. Otherwise we wouldn't be having a discussion, because unless we accept the fact that Jesus is diety, the whole redemption event would be invalid.

So the basic question that is at the bottom of this discussion is, do you believe? Because we can't claim to understand or know the mind of God, but we are asked simply to believe. How difficult is that? To say, I am human, I was created by you, Jesus was sent as the Son of God to redeem my sins at Calvary, and if I live my life in believing in Jesus by living my life in repentance, humility, and faith, seeking a relationship with God, that is basically following the instruction given in John 6:40

I agree that the list of do's and don'ts are there for not entering into heaven. But it seems to me, the closer I draw to God, the more conscious I am of things that are displeasing to him. Therefore, I must work out my own salvation, and as Paul says, I must "die daily" to my flesh. Anything that is against the nature of God, that works against love, I must rebuke in my flesh each day, in order to maintain that relationship with God. I must take up the cross and follow Christ each and every day.

[DAII]

Some on both sides preach a gospel of Understanding ... on both sides.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

No trini will say three Gods. They will say ONE God thinking three persons each being God.

There is no light there. It is all darkness and is an abomination, the first of the three unclean frogs of Rev. 16. It is the grand abomination that desolated the early church.

Such will not enter into heaven. There will be no possibility of changing their minds, that is to repent of error.

ev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

My speech is very mild compared to the speech of the prophets. I care about people's souls, thus, I will leave them no room to consider that they might enter into the gates of the heavenly Jerusalem.

They are not my brethren for they have neither been born again of the water and of the Spirit according to Jn. 3:5. Except a man is thus born, he cannot enter into heaven.

For all whom I have spoken too, there can be no doubt about what is the truth though I suffer the reproach of the gospel. Call me unkind if you wish but it would be far better for me to be considered unkind, uncaring and even unfriendly than to let them drop into hell to be lost forever.

A preacher that is unclear in his message leaving a sinner feeling comfortable in his sin, is as guilty as the sinner himself. He will give an account for his fool hearty disposition of the gospel before men.

I'm done here.

Bye.

Typical. The old "I have nothing but an unclean frog to spew from my mouth... so, 'Bye.'"

You flatter yourself, Appie, when you say you suffer reproach for the Gospel. The reproach you "suffer" is caused by your own lack of grace and horrendous 'people skills.' Don't blame the Gospel for your social isolation. It's you, Bro. Just you.

I remember Bro. Strange - he with his eagle avatar and all. I liked talking to that guy. You, not so much. Get over yourself. You and I are not that big of a deal in the Kingdom. The King is the big deal here.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

We will just have to agree to disagree regardless how arrogant, pompous and judgmental that you might think of me. Nevertheless, there is not one, no not one glimmer of truth is anyone who have inculcated and cemented the Trinity lie within their spirit man. It is the darkest of dark.

No, it is my opinion that none can go to heaven saying ONE God while in their spirit man they are thinking "three." The spirit man will be open, unclothed by the facade of the natural man. There their thoughts will be known. They will be told that there are no three persons in heaven called God. Unable to repent, they will be allowed to wander around for awhile. After finding no heaven with thee persons called God, they will find it increasingly difficult to respire being tortured by the light from heaven, they see a way to darkness to find relief. Plunging headlong to hide from the heat and life that does not comport with their life, they are received in the dark after which they will be told that they can never exit there.

So sad.

This is the weirdest post I have seen on here...ever.

So Sad...when one begins losing his grip on reality. What a blessing it will be when they finally have medication to control this kind of thing.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

No trini will say three Gods. They will say ONE God thinking three persons each being God.

••And you have this information how? God told you? You're just THAT smart? You're able to read the minds of trinitarians everywhere??? I would fall, theologically, into the category of a so-called "Trinitarian", and I'll tell you right now, firmly, that I believe in ONE GOD.

There is no light there. It is all darkness and is an abomination, the first of the three unclean frogs of Rev. 16. It is the grand abomination that desolated the early church.

••Lucky for you that you're not one of us poor frogs. You're one of the privileged few that knows everything!

Such will not enter into heaven. There will be no possibility of changing their minds, that is to repent of error.

ev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

My speech is very mild compared to the speech of the prophets. I care about people's souls, thus, I will leave them no room to consider that they might enter into the gates of the heavenly Jerusalem.

••True, the prophets used strong speech. But they were never condescending, arrogant, and never bullied.

They are not my brethren for they have neither been born again of the water and of the Spirit according to Jn. 3:5. Except a man is thus born, he cannot enter into heaven.

••Agreed. And I am born again whether you like it or not.

For all whom I have spoken too, there can be no doubt about what is the truth though I suffer the reproach of the gospel.

••What reproach?? Surely you're not talking about the resistance you have experienced here!!! It's not you're gospel that's the problem, man, it's your attitude.

Call me unkind if you wish but it would be far better for me to be considered unkind, uncaring and even unfriendly than to let them drop into hell to be lost forever.

••I, for one, never called you "Unkind" or "Unfriendly." That was the least of the issue.

A preacher that is unclear in his message leaving a sinner feeling comfortable in his sin, is as guilty as the sinner himself.

••You have been VERY unclear. You never would engage in a conversation about the involvement of tongues with salvation. Very disingenuous.

He will give an account for his fool hearty disposition of the gospel before men.

I'm done here.

Bye.

You promise??

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Typical. The old "I have nothing but an unclean frog to spew from my mouth... so, 'Bye.'"

You flatter yourself, Appie, when you say you suffer reproach for the Gospel. The reproach you "suffer" is caused by your own lack of grace and horrendous 'people skills.' Don't blame the Gospel for your social isolation. It's you, Bro. Just you.

I remember Bro. Strange - he with his eagle avatar and all. I liked talking to that guy. You, not so much. Get over yourself. You and I are not that big of a deal in the Kingdom. The King is the big deal here.

This concluding statement is brilliant and sobering. Wow.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by notofworks

You promise??

This calls for the Pirate!!

[DAII]

* cricket, cricket *

Y'all have run another away ... so typical

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

No trini will say three Gods. They will say ONE God thinking three persons each being God.

There is no light there. It is all darkness and is an abomination, the first of the three unclean frogs of Rev. 16. It is the grand abomination that desolated the early church.

Such will not enter into heaven. There will be no possibility of changing their minds, that is to repent of error.

ev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

My speech is very mild compared to the speech of the prophets. I care about people's souls, thus, I will leave them no room to consider that they might enter into the gates of the heavenly Jerusalem.

They are not my brethren for they have neither been born again of the water and of the Spirit according to Jn. 3:5. Except a man is thus born, he cannot enter into heaven.

For all whom I have spoken too, there can be no doubt about what is the truth though I suffer the reproach of the gospel. Call me unkind if you wish but it would be far better for me to be considered unkind, uncaring and even unfriendly than to let them drop into hell to be lost forever.

A preacher that is unclear in his message leaving a sinner feeling comfortable in his sin, is as guilty as the sinner himself. He will give an account for his fool hearty disposition of the gospel before men.

I'm done here.

Bye.

Wait, I thought I made a HUGE JUMP to the conclusion that you were Oneness?