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[Jason B]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Hmmm, I'm still here. Don't know that I'm 3 step, as I believe it is a process, rather than steps. I do believe in some standards and I do tithe. Not really into debating this, as I have followed all the debates and not seen anyone's mind changed either way.
I believe they left because of the lack of civility shown towards them, by some here, not due to some "indefensible" doctrinal issues.
Also, I am aware that the lack of civility worked both ways, as well.

By "debate" I don't mean formal debate, these guys run from that as fast as they can, I mean real discussion. Everytime the heat turns up these guys get out of the kitchen. 76. would you be willing defend the position that tongues are the initial evidence, and that without which one cannot be saved? Would you be willing to defend that everyone in church history not having the name of Jesus specifically invoked over them is lost? Would you be willing to defend the doctrine a womean who trims her hair or wears a pair of jeans is eternally doomed to a burning hell? That is what many of those men believe, they don't have good scriputre (out of context pot shotting doesn't count), they are enemies of context, and their doctrine only stands when preached in an amen corner.

As for civility, thats such a joke, not that we shouldn't be civli, but these guys whine over essentially two posters, DA and NOW, while having their own Epley's Benincasa's, RK Smith's, etc. In fact it is often times they who hide on a secret forum GOSSIPING about those on this forum, and even those who attend churches.


Does it matter to me? In a sense NO because I know their doctrine cannot stand up to scrutiny, been there done that. In another sense, YES because they pound the pulpit using both fear and legalism to subject the sheep to abuse. Not all of them, there are some good men on there, but ehre are also some who are nothing more than modern day pharisees, and it is they who scream "compromiser, reborobate, charismatic" the loudest.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Straight is the gate, narrow is the way and FEW there be that find it.

As I've said before, by the time you guys get done whittling all of Christianity down, all those baptized in titles, all thsoe who haven't spoken in tongues, all those who don't have the same outward standards, those who have TVs, and those who are too strict on standards, well The way is so narrow you pretty much have to do a tightrope walk on dental floss to enter in.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I think making the "few, the proud, the Apostolics" your slogan misses the heartbeat of the Mission.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

As I've said before, by the time you guys get done whittling all of Christianity down, all those baptized in titles, all thsoe who haven't spoken in tongues, all those who don't have the same outward standards, those who have TVs, and those who are too strict on standards, well The way is so narrow you pretty much have to do a tightrope walk on dental floss to enter in.

The Pharisees thought it was their job to make the way narrow as well...


They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees

13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Socialite

The Pharisees thought it was their job to make the way narrow as well...


They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees

13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]

Yep, I'd go a little further in the bolded portion:


Matt 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men


Matt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in

Not only were they wrong about who they were keeping out, they were disqualifying themselves in some cases, and the very one who the Pharisees said WERE NOT going to make it, were the ones Jesus said WERE going to make it.

[houston]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Do you have "standards"?

the bible is my standard

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

It's generally not the three-steppers who leave, it's the "holiness=clothing" crowd.

True, but the ardent, strong, 3-step insistent people are disappearing as well. There are very few that remain or at least, very few that speak up much.

[El Predicador]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

As I've said before, by the time you guys get done whittling all of Christianity down, all those baptized in titles, all thsoe who haven't spoken in tongues, all those who don't have the same outward standards, those who have TVs, and those who are too strict on standards, well The way is so narrow you pretty much have to do a tightrope walk on dental floss to enter in.

Matt 7:14

Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way,

which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Looks like it was started by some gossip named yandris.

Yandris doesn't even post here anymore

[El Predicador]

Originally Posted by notofworks

True, but the ardent, strong, 3-step insistent people are disappearing as well. There are very few that remain or at least, very few that speak up much.

Perhaps they are busy doing God's work

Instead of just talking about it?