No More Sacrifice For Sin

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Here is Jason's post:

I think it speaks of one who refuses to accept the chastening of the Lord, who,though warned and punished, continuies in disobedience, rebellion, unbelief, and unrepentance turned over to a rebrobate mind.

I don't think people can backslide and get saved again. I think we would classify someone as backslid, when many times they are being disobedient and subjecting themselves to the chaseting of God (such as David w/ Basheeba). BUT if one truly backslides and does get to the point spoken of in Hebrews 10:26, I think that is where the warning in Hebrews 6 comes in so strongly "it is impossible to rnew them to repentance..."

Basically in my view, I don't believe your once saved, always saved, nor do I believe salvation is so fickle that you (can possibly) posess it and lose it multiple times in a lifetime. I think once you have been saved, it is difficult to be lost, but still possible. But IF someone did lose their salvation, it would be impossible to "get saved again". I think the Bible backs up my point, though I admit this hasn't been one of the topics I've spent much time on.

This post is chock full of speculation. When the topic of who’s in, and who’s out comes up, you always see the subject of mercy go this direction.

D4T, there are things we just don't know, and where God draws the line is God's business, not ours.

Yes sir... and I agree. But this isn't the conclusion everyone is coming to. I guess it would have seemed less "off the wall" to me if you would have quoted his post or something. Since your post didn't quote a post it seemed like you were talking about everyone who has been involved in this thread.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes sir... and I agree. But this isn't the conclusion everyone is coming to. I guess it would have seemed less "off the wall" to me if you would have quoted his post or something. Since your post didn't quote a post it seemed like you were talking about everyone who has been involved in this thread.

How was my post off subject? You asked for an opinion, I gave mine.

This topic really leaves only one of 3 possibilities:
1)Were once saved, always saved
2)We can be saved and lost saved and lost multiple times in our life (common pentecostal view)
3)we can lose salvation, but if we do there remains no sacrifice for sins

I suppose we can throw a 4th option in there Universalism, which makes the inerrency and authority of scripture take a second place to mans reasoning, and that is right up Not4Sale's alley-since he doesn't believe the Bible is God's Word, and doesn't believe there is a hell. Obviously he has a real problem with my opinions.

Furthermore, it should be noted I didn't judge anyone, I never claimed to do anything else BUT give my opinion, obviously when dealing with someones salvation it is all speculation because in the final analysis we don't know the heart.

[missourimary]

Jason, I don't think D4T was saying you were off topic. It was just confusing as to why NFS interjected what he did.

[Jason B]

I would add one other thing, based on the assertion that the book is written ONLY to Jews some people take the stance that both Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 CANNOT mean you can lose your salvation (John MacArthur affirms this view). The logic is that it is only talking to the Jews who knew the gospel, but never got saved. I don't think that is consistent when Hebrews 6 plainly says they HAVE repented and HAVE tasted of the powers of the world to come, and HAVE been PARTAKERS of the Holy Ghost. Hebrews 10 is obviously speaking of people who ARE part of the church in a warning fashion, even saying in verse 29 that said persons has been sanctified.


I think that the two Hebrews scriptures have too much in common with 2 Peter 2:20-22 to simply say that Paul (who most, including myself believe to be the author of Hebrews) wasn't giving the same warnings to a different audience. Furthermore consider Pauls attitude on the topic in writing to the Corinthians in 1 Cor 9:27 and 2 Corinthians 13:5-7.

Sorry D4T if thats not what your looking for, I may have misunderstood your opening post.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Jason, I don't think D4T was saying you were off topic. It was just confusing as to why NFS interjected what he did.

That is correct. My comments were directed to NFS alone.

[mfblume]

Missourimary said it right.

I believe this might show more what is being discussed. If the Jews converted to Christianity and then turned back to the law and denied Christ, they might border on doing these things. Yet I think even most of them didn't get to the point being described here.

There was a wholesale backsliding of converted Jews who returned back to Law in those days. Heb 6 is what that was referring to. IOW, if you do not accept Christ's sacrifice by turning back to law and animal sacrifices, there is no other sacrifice to obtain. Christ is IT!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Missourimary said it right.

I believe this might show more what is being discussed. If the Jews converted to Christianity and then turned back to the law and denied Christ, they might border on doing these things. Yet I think even most of them didn't get to the point being described here.

There was a wholesale backsliding of converted Jews who returned back to Law in those days. Heb 6 is what that was referring to. IOW, if you do not accept Christ's sacrifice by turning back to law and animal sacrifices, there is no other sacrifice to obtain. Christ is IT!

I've been so busy I haven't finished my study yet. The study took me to chapter nine... then to chapter eight. So I see that i am going to be going all the way back to Chapter 6?

Thanks for this input.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by mfblume

There was a wholesale backsliding of converted Jews who returned back to Law in those days. Heb 6 is what that was referring to. IOW, if you do not accept Christ's sacrifice by turning back to law and animal sacrifices, there is no other sacrifice to obtain. Christ is IT!

the Jews were secure in their laws and customs. Some converted and then wanted to go back to animal sacrifices, circumcision, and traditions, thinking they had security in those. Our security isn't in those things; it's in Jesus alone.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I've been so busy I haven't finished my study yet. The study took me to chapter nine... then to chapter eight. So I see that i am going to be going all the way back to Chapter 6?

Thanks for this input.

If one verse in chapter 6 was tied so directly to another in chapter 10, why are all those other verses between them?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by missourimary

If one verse in chapter 6 was tied so directly to another in chapter 10, why are all those other verses between them?

I haven't made it all the way back to Chapter 6 yet but I am as far back as Chapter 8 at the moment and the reason is that, backtracking through the chapters, I have yet to find the beginning of the conversation. What is being discussed in Chapter 10 started before Chapter 8. So it is good to read the entire conversation when attempting to derive the meaning of scripture.

It could very well be that in Chapter 6 we find the beginning and even the subject of the conversation and it could then be that after 4 chapters of discussion we find the conclusion in chapter 10.

Like I said... I haven't made it that far back yet but I do know that the conversation spans at least 2 chapters back at this point and I suspect that what Brother Blume has pointed out could be the beginning of that conversation.

The subject is often found at the beginning of a conversation or monologue and the conclusion is often found at the end. So it isn't an oddity to find 2 scriptures separated by a few chapters that directly correspond with one another.