it is not about physical healing. Read the context of the passage.
Mat 8:14 And when Jesus entered Peter's house, he saw his mother-in-law lying sick with a fever. Mat 8:15 He touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she rose and began to serve him. Mat 8:16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. Mat 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: "He took our illnesses and bore our diseases."
Isa 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.
Looks like healing covers everything
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Mat 8:14 And when Jesus entered Peter's house, he saw his mother-in-law lying sick with a fever. Mat 8:15 He touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she rose and began to serve him. Mat 8:16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. Mat 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: "He took our illnesses and bore our diseases."
Isa 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.
Looks like healing covers everything
read my post after that. God did not need to die to heal physical adisease. Two different aspects are being talked about.
Even while they were mocking and beating him on the cross, he interceded saying "Father, forgive them." Remember that when you sin, that's the Grace He's given. Come back to the Cross. That while we were yet sinners... that even now, when we sin... He's pardoned us. (I love saying it so plain like this, because it rubs the works people the wrong way).
When you are truly amazed at the grace of the cross, you don’t want to sin anymore because you go to the cross before you sin. Most don't go to the cross when they sin. They beat themselves up for a few days. Self-hate. Self-loathing. Shame. Because they put trust in themselves to save themselves for that moment. Get back to the Cross. Get back quickly.
The truest form of repentance is to turn from unbelief to belief in Jesus. Why is this? Because at the moment we believe we have turned from our evil ways to the way of God. In fact, I submit that there is no greater way to turn from our evil ways than to believe on Jesus.
Therefore it seems to me that in Adino's view that true repentance is definetely taking place.
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That's always been a tough one for me. It seems to equate salvation with healing. Yet, even in Scripture believers were ill. When Timothy suffered some sort of stomach ailment Paul didn't tell him, "By His stripes you and your stomach are healed!"
Paul said, "... use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. ..."
What about the stripes?
The trajectory of Isaiah seems to be speaking about healing us from the disease of sin... that is, healing our souls. It does not seem to have in view physical healing. However, we find Isaiah quoted in Mt 8 that is says Jesus fulfilled prophecy by healing people.
We are healed of sin, yet we are still dying from sin. Our healing is complete body, soul and spirit, but is not yet realized. Sometimes we get a glimpse of the future glory, a "tasting and seeing" of how good the future redemption will be, but not one person has figured out how to be immortal yet. Our victory is in the resurrection, just as His victory is in the resurrection.
What is clear about NT writers is that they exercised great authority in how they applied scripture -- authority that is frankly dangerous if all of us assume that same authority. John MacArthur makes one example:
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When you do find New Testament writers quoting the Old Testament, there often is a significant variation. Very often, there is a significant variation. For example, “Out of Egypt have I called my son.” It says that when Jesus came out of Egypt after having been taken there to avoid death from Herod. The prophecy was, “This is that which was written by the prophet, “Out of Egypt, how I called my son.” Well, there’s no way, in reading the prophecy in the Old Testament you would ever conclude that the comment there, referring to the exodus of Israel out of Egypt, had anything to do with a Messiah coming hundreds of years later who would be taken out of Egypt and brought back to the land of Israel. So, the New Testament writers do exercise inspired authority over the interpretation and application. I think the truth was inherent in the Old Testament text. I think the intention of God was there, but I don’t think there would be any way to understand the fullness of that intention without what the New Testament says. You would never know, “Out of Egypt have I called my Son,” was a reference to the Messiah, until that’s what happened, and then, you say, “wow, there it was!” But, the Old Testament writer might be looking at that in the terms of 1 Peter searching to see what it was really meaning because he had no way to understand that.
So, when you come to Isaiah 53, and you read, “He took our infirmities, and He bore our sicknesses,” we understand that the context of Isaiah 53 is talking about our sins, our iniquities because the rest of the verses all refer to that. But, when you get to the New Testament, and Jesus begins to do His healing ministry, you have previews of coming attractions in that, because now the text and all the while was intended to mean that, but now the text is expanded in its interpretation to cover not only our sins, but our physical healing.
I hasten to add, you believe that in the atonement you receive physical healing. We all do. It’s not now that we receive that. It’s at our glorification. And, what Jesus was demonstrating in His miracle power was that He not only had power over the souls of men, He had power over the bodies of men. And, that He is the one who can not only give eternal life to the soul, but He can give eternal life to the body, as demonstrated by His power over all that deforms and debilitates and destroys the physical.
This is where I disagree with much of Pentecost, including UPCI, AoG, etc. I do not believe our physical healing in this life is in the atonement -- even while I still believe we can have physical healing in this life, if the Lord wills, and we should still pray and ask. But to make that part of the atonement has never made full sense to me. It is not necessary or needed. Healing has been part of God's people, as the Lord has chosen, throughout the Story. If anything... the access of all believers to be used in the charismata, gifts of healing --- that may be the only evidence that causes me to reconsider the significance of the atonement. Even then, it's not healing that is enabled, it's gifts of healing included to all the Body.
The truest form of repentance is to turn from unbelief to belief in Jesus. Why is this? Because at the moment we believe we have turned from our evil ways to the way of God. In fact, I submit that there is no greater way to turn from our evil ways than to believe on Jesus.
Therefore it seems to me that in Adino's view that true repentance is definetely taking place.
Correct. True repentance takes place when the repenting heart turns back to God through faith in Jesus Christ. The heart's conversion to Christ takes place in repentance.
John the Baptist called for repentance. He called for a turning back to God. The Christian message is to do so through the acceptance of the testimony God gives of His Son. We turn to God in repentance through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the only door through which man can return to God in repentance.
Though forgiven on the Cross, man is justified before God only when he accepts the testimony God gives us of Christ (1John 5:10-13). Only then does man pass from death into life.
The trajectory of Isaiah seems to be speaking about healing us from the disease of sin... that is, healing our souls....
I agree. Notice the following passages:
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
To understand with the heart and 'convert' in Isaiah 6:10 meant to 'return to God in faith' or to 'repent.' To "be healed” meant to be 'made whole' or to have one's conscience 'purged from sin.' It meant to experience forgiveness.
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert (i.e., repent), and be healed (i.e., experience forgiveness).
Those who repented would experience forgiveness.
Mark 4:11-12 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
To understand with the heart and 'convert' in Isaiah 6:10 meant to 'return to God in faith' or to 'repent.' To "be healed” meant to be 'made whole' or to have one's conscience 'purged from sin.' It meant to experience forgiveness.
Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert (i.e., repent), and be healed (i.e., experience forgiveness).
Those who repented would experience forgiveness.
Mark 4:11-12 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
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