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OldPathsII · #31 02-25-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

So you're calling Olive Gray Haney a "Jezebel?" A godly woman such as Sister Haney is a "Jezebel" in your eyes?

And, since when did telling the truth equate to "muddy the trith (SIC)?" You deny the truth of the Apostolic Faith movement yet you insist upon your own version as being the only true Apostolic faith.

God has allowed us over time to understand His Word! I'll tell you what, go talk to someone and see how Sis. Haney conducted herself the last 40+ years or so of her life. Answer that!!

Phoenix · #32 02-25-2011, 06:20 PM

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How much kinder can I get?? That's the whole point I'm trying to make! I couldn't possibly be more kind than to sound the trumpet of alarm that would spare many people from eternal damnation! Telling someone if they believe that Jesus is Lord, they're saved, is NOT kind!!! It's horrible!! If that is the truth, then Satan will be right there in heaven too because he believes!

This is the ultimate kind of love and kindness, to warn people of the error of there ways!

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No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:3, paraphrased

You believe there is one God? That is good, even the demons believe and tremble! James 2:19, paraphrased

Would you mind explaining these verses in relation to your beliefs?

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Id like to hear YOU explain it, my friend!

I'm having trouble understanding what you believe. You say that Satan believes Jesus is Lord. Can you provide Scripture for that? I did provide the Scripture that says one can only say "Jesus is Lord" by the Spirit.

If I remember correctly, you said in another post that one must believe in the Oneness doctrine in order to be saved. The demons do believe in the oneness of God and yet they are not saved.

OldPathsII · #33 02-25-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

It's a simple fact: NO ONE - NOBODY - Taught your doctrine before about 1937. Where was the church before 1937? Not even GT Haywood or AD Urshan - the ones who developed the Oneness message and the "Water & Spirit" doctrine - taught what you're preaching here.

You have no Savior in your doctrine! How can you even claim to be "saved?" You need a Savior! ... OH WAIT! That's the problem. You think that you can save yourself. Dude, you need to go back to the "First Works." You really do need a Savior - we all need a Savior!

Let's ask Nathaniel Urshan about the plan of salvation! What did HE preach?? Your attempt at making a point only proves MY point! Bro. Urshan understood where his father wassn't where he needed to be and took up The Truth! And Sis. Haney eventually understood that she shouldn't be wearing makeup and jewelry! These people came to the truth and it's what WE ALL need to do!

pelathais · #34 02-25-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPathsII

God has allowed us over time to understand His Word! I'll tell you what, go talk to someone and see how Sis. Haney conducted herself the last 40+ years or so of her life. Answer that!!

She believed that she was saved as a child when she gave her life to Him. She believed that all the way up until the day she died. Have you ever heard her speak? Her husband? Her son? Ever read any of their writings?

So, answer THIS: Why did you call her a "Jezebel?" She never felt that she had acted like a "Jezebel." She looks MODEST in that picture.

OldPathsII · #35 02-25-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I'm having trouble understanding what you believe. You say that Satan believes Jesus is Lord. Can you provide Scripture for that? I did provide the Scripture that says one can only say "Jesus is Lord" by the Spirit.

If I remember correctly, you said in another post that one must believe in the Oneness doctrine in order to be saved. The demons do believe in the oneness of God and yet they are not saved.

Nice try at twisting my words, my friend. I didn't claim that believing in the oneness of God saves us. Sorry, that kind of twisting is what gets so many in trouble with reading the bible.

Phoenix · #36 02-25-2011, 06:27 PM

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Nice try at twisting my words, my friend. I didn't claim that believing in the oneness of God saves us. Sorry, that kind of twisting is what gets so many in trouble with reading the bible.

Well, it's a good thing I'm not reading the Bible right now.

Let me see if I can find the quote I think I'm remembering.

OldPathsII · #37 02-25-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

She believed that she was saved as a child when she gave her life to Him. She believed that all the way up until the day she died. Have you ever heard her speak? Her husband? Her son? Ever read any of their writings?

So, answer THIS: Why did you call her a "Jezebel?" She never felt that she had acted like a "Jezebel." She looks MODEST in that picture.

I know that I have heard her son, Bro. Kenneth Haney, proclaim that Acts 2:38 is the only way to salvation and I know his son has even more boldly proclaimed the truth of separation and Godliness even more boldly! How about if we talk to Olive Haney's grandson, let's see what HE believes!

pelathais · #38 02-25-2011, 06:30 PM

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Let's ask Nathaniel Urshan about the plan of salvation! What did HE preach?? Your attempt at making a point only proves MY point! Bro. Urshan understood where his father wassn't where he needed to be and took up The Truth! And Sis. Haney eventually understood that she shouldn't be wearing makeup and jewelry! These people came to the truth and it's what WE ALL need to do!

I used to work for Nathaniel Urshan. I know exactly what he preached. However, I said "AD Urshan" - the man who was responsible for the development of the modern day Oneness Doctrine.

You see, I actually knew some of these folks and their family members. Sister Haney never "renounced" the wearing of a modest string of pearls though she did conform to some of the extreme things that the radicals like Ike Terry brought out west with them.

But, guys like Terry also brought hate, exclusivism, and just plain bad doctrine. Now... Where was YOUR doctrine before 1937? Did your doctrine save ANYONE before 1937?

Mr. Smith · #39 02-25-2011, 06:31 PM

I really wanna jump into the middle of this but I don't even know where to start. My goodness. Let's all pray for OPII. Or ban him or something. Admin? Help?

pelathais · #40 02-25-2011, 06:31 PM

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I used to work for Nathaniel Urshan. I know exactly what he preached. However, I said "AD Urshan" - the man who was responsible for the development of the modern day Oneness Doctrine.

You see, I actually knew some of these folks and their family members. Sister Haney never "renounced" the wearing of a modest string of pearls though she did conform to some of the extreme things that the radicals like Ike Terry brought out west with them.

But, guys like Terry also brought hate, exclusivism, and just plain bad doctrine. Now... Where was YOUR doctrine before 1937? Did your doctrine save ANYONE before 1937?

The answer: NO!

So, did the church exist? Were people being saved prior to about 1937?