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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
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Sure, it was specifically addressing marriage. No argument there. :) That's why I said "the idea of." However, it's interesting that separation from the "strange wives" wasn't the only requirement; not only were the men required to put away their wives, but separation from the people of the land was required as well. Why?
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Ezra 10:11 Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. [/I]
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This scripture is troubling for me because all women are strange! Are we all supposed to seperate from our wives????  
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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03-02-2011, 08:42 AM
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
Interesting. It appears that separation in dress is involved by commandment.
Zephaniah 1:8 "And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel." (KJV)
CEV translates "strange apparel" as "foreign customs". Footnote: Zephaniah 1:8 follow foreign customs: Hebrew "wear foreign clothes."
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Zephaniah 1:8 And on the day of the Lord's sacrifice, I will punish the officials and the king's sons and all who are clothed in [lavish] foreign apparel [instead of the Jewish dress, with its reminders to obey God's commandments].(A)
(A) Numbers 15:38 "Speak to the Israelites and bid them make fringes or tassels on the corners in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and put upon the fringe of the borders or upon the tassel of each corner a cord of blue."
Numbers 15:39 "And it shall be to you a fringe or tassel that you may look upon and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, that you may not spy out and follow after [the desires of] your own heart and your own eyes, after which you used to follow and play the harlot [spiritually, if not physically],"
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The law for fringes on garment.
The people are ordered by the Lord to make fringes on the borders of their garments. The Jews were distinguished from their neighbours in their dress, as well as in their diet, and thus taught not to be conformed to the way of the heathen in other things. They proclaimed themselves Jews wherever they were, as not ashamed of God and his law. The fringes were not appointed for trimming and adorning their clothes, but to stir up their minds by way of remembrance,
http://www.biblegateway.com/resource...ringes-Garment
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03-02-2011, 08:43 AM
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This scripture is troubling for me because all women are strange! Are we all supposed to seperate from our wives???? |
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03-02-2011, 09:24 AM
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
I find it interesting that God asked the men to put away their wives--including those who had children by those same wives. I wonder if they were also expected to remain unmarried after that? Another thread, maybe? 
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03-02-2011, 09:32 AM
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
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Interesting. It appears that separation in dress is involved by commandment.
Zephaniah 1:8 "And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel." (KJV)
CEV translates "strange apparel" as "foreign customs". Footnote: Zephaniah 1:8 follow foreign customs: Hebrew "wear foreign clothes."
Amplified Bible:
Zephaniah 1:8 And on the day of the Lord's sacrifice, I will punish the officials and the king's sons and all who are clothed in [lavish] foreign apparel [instead of the Jewish dress, with its reminders to obey God's commandments].(A)
(A) Numbers 15:38 "Speak to the Israelites and bid them make fringes or tassels on the corners in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and put upon the fringe of the borders or upon the tassel of each corner a cord of blue."
Numbers 15:39 "And it shall be to you a fringe or tassel that you may look upon and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, that you may not spy out and follow after [the desires of] your own heart and your own eyes, after which you used to follow and play the harlot [spiritually, if not physically]," |
The Hebrews did seem to be a forgetful and fearful people. And thought they knew more than God. After all these other people didn't obey God, they had their own and were doing fine. Like the NT warns of following false doctrine.
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03-02-2011, 10:28 AM
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
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I like this passage from the Good News Bible:
Exodus 33:14 The LORD said, "I will go with you, and I will give you victory."
Exodus 33:15 Moses replied, "If you do not go with us, don't make us leave this place.
Exodus 33:16 How will anyone know that you are pleased with your people and with me if you do not go with us? Your presence with us will distinguish us from any other people on earth."
Exodus 33:17 The LORD said to Moses, "I will do just as you have asked, because I know you very well and I am pleased with you."
This passage is talking about a natural separation that occurs (and should occur) when we belong to God. That lends credence to the concept that we don't have to strive to be separated for the sake of being separated; God's presence will "distinguish us."
IMO, when we obey God's laws and we are filled with His Spirit, there will be a natural separation that occurs--separation from sin, and separation from "worldliness", e.g., having the mindset of an unbeliever. There will be a marked distinction between those who have the mind of Christ and those who don't. There will also be an obvious distinction between those who walk after the Spirit and those who walk after the flesh. You don't have to manipulate or fabricate that distinction; it occurs naturally.
The specific "application" of standards of separation is where people have gone astray, because they are trying to fabricate a visible distinction that should occur naturally by being filled with the Spirit and walking after the Spirit. |
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03-02-2011, 11:52 AM
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
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The Hebrews did seem to be a forgetful and fearful people. And thought they knew more than God. After all these other people didn't obey God, they had their own and were doing fine. Like the NT warns of following false doctrine.
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That is all very well true. It is just that Charnock was asking what scriptures developed the doctrine of separation and I posted a few that may or may not be relevant to the topic.
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03-02-2011, 12:00 PM
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
Actually the doctrine of separation begins in the very first chapter of the Bible ,Genesis chapter 1 (separation of light from darkness,day from night etc and then continues on right through to the last book of the Bible Revelation(Great White Throne Judgment).
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03-02-2011, 12:20 PM
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Re: The Doctrine of Separation<<<
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Actually the doctrine of separation begins in the very first chapter of the Bible ,Genesis chapter 1 (separation of light from darkness,day from night etc and then continues on right through to the last book of the Bible Revelation(Great White Throne Judgment).
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