The Thief on the Cross - Page 8

jfrog · #71 03-06-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by faithit166

truly i dont believe it did just sayin

I didn't ask that though. I asked if you beleived it was possible for it to happen that way. Do you?

faithit166 · #72 03-06-2011, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I didn't ask that though. I asked if you beleived it was possible for it to happen that way. Do you?

anything is possible,

jfrog · #73 03-06-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by faithit166

anything is possible,

So how can some believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to save a man during deathbed repentance? They can believe such a person can be transported and baptized by God himself and then speak in tongues in such a way that no one knows he did BUT they cannot believe that God can just save the dying man by his repentance. It amazes me.

I even remember a story where Jesus forgave a person once. He asked if it was easier to say thy sins be forgiven thee or to say arise and walk. I think he was amazed that they could believe he could cause her to talk but couldn't forgive her sins. Just like that I'm amazed that people can believe God can miraculously baptize a dying man and let him speak in tongues without no one knowing but they cannot believe he can just forgive him on his deathbed.

faithit166 · #74 03-06-2011, 07:51 AM

jfrog, i believe the only way a person has a chance of being saved is by obeying the gospel ,death the burial and the resurrection ,repentance baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins and recieving the gift of the holy ghost.imo a person who repents on their deathbed but has not carried out the gospel doesnt stand a chance i dont mean to sound harsh but we are no longer under the old law,but the new covenant i believe that god is no respecter of persons and if i am to obey the gospel then you have to obey it too,repentance alone does not save

jfrog · #75 03-06-2011, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by faithit166

jfrog, i believe the only way a person has a chance of being saved is by obeying the gospel ,death the burial and the resurrection ,repentance baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins and recieving the gift of the holy ghost.imo a person who repents on their deathbed but has not carried out the gospel doesnt stand a chance i dont mean to sound harsh but we are no longer under the old law,but the new covenant i believe that god is no respecter of persons and if i am to obey the gospel then you have to obey it too,repentance alone does not save

Unless I'm mistaken the old testament had very strict guidelines on how to obtain forgiveness of sins. Did the man Jesus forgave fulfill any of those things that needed to be fulfilled in order to be forgiven?

jfrog · #76 03-06-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by faithit166

jfrog, i believe the only way a person has a chance of being saved is by obeying the gospel ,death the burial and the resurrection ,repentance baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins and recieving the gift of the holy ghost.imo a person who repents on their deathbed but has not carried out the gospel doesnt stand a chance i dont mean to sound harsh but we are no longer under the old law,but the new covenant i believe that god is no respecter of persons and if i am to obey the gospel then you have to obey it too,repentance alone does not save

If God is no respecter of persons then God is no respecter of the healthy or of the dying. Tell me why he will forgive and save the healthy but not the dying? I mean he is not a respecter of persons right?

faithit166 · #77 03-06-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Unless I'm mistaken the old testament had very strict guidelines on how to obtain forgiveness of sins. Did the man Jesus forgave fulfill any of those things that needed to be fulfilled in order to be forgiven?

i cant speak if that man did or didnt, but thats not the point we are under a new covenant and we are commanded to obey the gospel everyone single one of us god is no respecter of persons imo

crakjak · #78 03-06-2011, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by faithit166

jfrog, i believe the only way a person has a chance of being saved is by obeying the gospel ,death the burial and the resurrection ,repentance baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins and recieving the gift of the holy ghost.imo a person who repents on their deathbed but has not carried out the gospel doesnt stand a chance i dont mean to sound harsh but we are no longer under the old law,but the new covenant i believe that god is no respecter of persons and if i am to obey the gospel then you have to obey it too,repentance alone does not save

Does God just give men a chance to be saved ??
Or does He have a plan and a path to save all?
Is He a God of chance???

jfrog · #79 03-06-2011, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Does God just give men a chance to be saved ??
Or does He have a plan and a path to save all?
Is He a God of chance???

Why must you make everything about universalism?

faithit166 · #80 03-06-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Does God just give men a chance to be saved ??
Or does He have a plan and a path to save all?
Is He a God of chance???

we know he has a plan for all, whosoever will that is many are called and few are chosen but not all will obey the plan of salvation