Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace - Page 9

Socialite · #81 03-29-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by onefaith2

Share in the gospel or perish.

However some believe if you don't reach out to win souls, you are lost because you are guilty of hiding your light, etc. I don't believe that but it could lead to that. We should not be ashamed of Jesus.

How do I share in the gospel?

To your latter point, that's definitely our mission. Once again, it's the ol' gun to the head, not trusting in what Christ has done for us and instead of gracious living that implicates others around us, it's go door knocking or perish.

And these "Soul Winners Inc" guys have a very narrow definition of "winning souls" (a Proverb which had more to do with winning friends by the way).

I'll stick with Jesus' admonishment to "Go make disciples."

Socialite · #82 03-29-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin

This subject matter is getting way out there from the scriptures. I'm out!

onefaith2 · #83 03-29-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

Romans 8:11 So the Spirit is just so one day I can be resurrected? That's it? I think Pentecostal pneumatology is a little more robust than that

So if I no longer have a sin nature, it's completely gone away with because of baptism (I think you are stretching Paul's point that we should "be who we are"), then why do I still sin?

Romans 8:11 I don't believe that is just referring to the last day resurrection.. the whole context of his talk if walking after the SPirit.. The quickening mortal bodies comment I read refers to that process of empowering us to walk after the Spirit.

I didn't say you no longer have a sin nature, I said you are put into Christ' death, to help you overcome your sin nature (that the body of sin might be destroyed is what the text says). That doesn't mean you don't have the free will to take it up again, obey it in the lusts there, ect. Matter of fact if you don't choose to walk after the SPirit, you will fufill your lust. Just becase our sin nature is sanctified by the death of Christ, doesn't mean we no longer have it or can't walk in it.

Thats why you still sin and i still sin. We are not walking after the SPirit like we need to be doing.

Or we could go for the stronger terms like

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Truth is once we are born again, we need to walk after the Spirit to not sin.

onefaith2 · #84 03-29-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

How do I share in the gospel?

To your latter point, that's definitely our mission. Once again, it's the ol' gun to the head, not trusting in what Christ has done for us and instead of gracious living that implicates others around us, it's go door knocking or perish.

And these "Soul Winners Inc" guys have a very narrow definition of "winning souls" (a Proverb which had more to do with winning friends by the way).
I'll stick with Jesus' admonishment to "Go make disciples."

Like who? Tim Downs?

www.gowinsouls.com

or www.answeredhere.com

Or Denver Stanford

www.lifestyleevangelism.com

These two represent two different styles.

onefaith2 · #85 03-29-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

How do I share in the gospel?

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You experience the change that the gospel brings.

Mr. Smith · #86 03-29-2011, 01:06 PM

I need to catch up but I'm thinking at this point, if I'm not able to speak in tongues, I'm gonna just opt for Plan B, go catch me a spotless bull on a farm out in the country, slash his throat, drain the blood, burn him up, take all the rest to a local preacher, and call it even. That way I can be right with God...to some extent anyway....so I won't have to beg Him for the Holy Ghost. This New Testament Grace thing just wasn't nearly as good as I heard.

Austin · #87 03-29-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I need to catch up but I'm thinking at this point, if I'm not able to speak in tongues, I'm gonna just opt for Plan B, go catch me a spotless bull on a farm out in the country, slash his throat, drain the blood, burn him up, take all the rest to a local preacher, and call it even. That way I can be right with God...to some extent anyway....so I won't have to beg Him for the Holy Ghost. This New Testament Grace thing just wasn't nearly as good as I heard.

Don't let the confusion on here discourage you. I think they got to debating and forgot you were the one looking for some answers. The salvation doctrine. Oldest debate on the face of the earth. We are saved by Grace/God's love and favor/ through faith/ that comes from Him too not us/ and not of works/ that means to can't earn it, or work for it if so then it becomes rightfully yours and it is given as a wage for effort and not a gift as God intended it to be for the simple fact no one in the Old testament could keep the law of commandments to be perfect. So today some actually think they can.
You follow Jesus and not man, be still and wait on Him. He has promised to do all things in his time...

onefaith2 · #88 03-29-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin

Don't let the confusion on here discourage you. I think they got to debating and forgot you were the one looking for some answers. The salvation doctrine. Oldest debate on the face of the earth. We are saved by Grace/God's love and favor/ through faith/ that comes from Him too not us/ and not of works/ that means to can't earn it, or work for it if so then it becomes rightfully yours and it is given as a wage for effort and not a gift as God intended it to be for the simple fact no one in the Old testament could keep the law of commandments to be perfect. So today some actually think they can.
You follow Jesus and not man, be still and wait on Him. He has promised to do all things in his time...

He isn't looking for answers. Hei s discrediting the whole doctrine of baptism of the HG. Everything you said does not negate this experience nor thats it promised to all who believe.. nor what its for.

Typically folks don't start a thread saying its better for him to go kill an animal than to try and try for the HG, when they are looking for answers.

Hoovie · #89 03-29-2011, 02:05 PM

Sometimes it would in fact be much "easier" to sacrifice a goat. The grace of God has led many to pay the ultimate sacrifice.

Praxeas · #90 03-29-2011, 02:16 PM

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To those of you who believe that one must 1) Repent; 2) Be baptized; and 3) Be filled with the Holy Spirit only by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues.......

......it was easier to be right with God in the Old Testament when all you had to do was obey the Levitical law and drag animals to the Tabernacle to be sacrificed.

Why? Because there are some people who try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to "Get the Holy Ghost" and just never can speak in tongues. For those people, it would be easier to just kill a goat.

And to those of you who believe that a person is saved at repentance but that a person isn't filled with the Holy Spirit until they display the initial sign of speaking in tongues, it would be easier to just be one of the "Holy men of God" that spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and just go kill goat.

Why? Because there are people that try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to be filled with the Spirit so they can have the power everyone else does, but they just can't pull it off.

According to these beliefs, maybe the New Covenant isn't all that great.

When I saw the title I thought this thread was about Rage Against the Machine