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05-27-2011, 09:54 AM
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
It is the exceptional man that can handle such power with integrity!!! With a man that does not make himself truly accountable to counsel it is virtually impossible.
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05-27-2011, 01:11 PM
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
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Originally Posted by UnTraditional
Has anyone considered that the man settled to try to clear this out of the way so he could focus on his ministry? That maybe he got sick and tired of the mess, and the sleazy attorneys, and just wanted these allegations out of the way so he could go on living his life? I am not making excuses for the man, I think his doctrine is abominable as a prosperity pimp... I mean preacher, but I also think that we become too cynical over such matters and maybe need to exercise some grace and mercy, even when dealing with false prophets.
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Because of the nature of what he has been accused of, his position, and how all of it came to light, would public confession (Swaggart style) be necessary BEFORE the extension of grace and mercy?
I do not have any rocks to throw.
Still, I was deeply disturbed by the fact that he decided to settle out of court.
This pretty much solidifies my opinion that he in fact is guilty of what he has been accused. Initially, I was outraged, but now I'm kinda sad over his decision.
It's hard to earn the notion that one is a man of integrity. So if you are that man, you would fight tooth and nail to defend your integrity-- especially in the face of such accusations.
However, he did not fight it.
He said he would, but he didn't.
He appeared strong, but he isn't.
I hope he is getting the help he needs in order to deal with his issues because there is just too much at stake for him and the people following him as he follows Christ.
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05-27-2011, 03:14 PM
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
I don't know if Bishop Eddie Long is guilty of the "down low" stuff he was accused of or not. If he is, he's certainly not the first preacher to be guilty of sexual indiscretion. Look at Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker and others. God's grace is a marvelous thing. God was able to use David, a womanizer, liar, murderer and extortionist, to give us a large part of the Bible. David was human like all the rest of us but he was a man after God's own heart.
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05-27-2011, 06:29 PM
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
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I don't know if Bishop Eddie Long is guilty of the "down low" stuff he was accused of or not. If he is, he's certainly not the first preacher to be guilty of sexual indiscretion. Look at Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker and others. God's grace is a marvelous thing. God was able to use David, a womanizer, liar, murderer and extortionist, to give us a large part of the Bible. David was human like all the rest of us but he was a man after God's own heart.
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Do you know if it was said he was a man after Gods heart after or before the incident?
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And someday master you. --Anon.
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05-27-2011, 07:00 PM
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Austin
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
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Originally Posted by UnTraditional
Has anyone considered that the man settled to try to clear this out of the way so he could focus on his ministry? That maybe he got sick and tired of the mess, and the sleazy attorneys, and just wanted these allegations out of the way so he could go on living his life? I am not making excuses for the man, I think his doctrine is abominable as a prosperity pimp... I mean preacher, but I also think that we become too cynical over such matters and maybe need to exercise some grace and mercy, even when dealing with false prophets.
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Being in law enforcement I know one of the reasons which he considered. If he would had to fight this issue in the courts, then he would have went through numerous depositions outside of the court room. He could have went through as many as one or ten. In those private depositions the defense attorney can ask any questions he wants to ask. The defendant has to answer them he cannot use the fifth amendment as his escape.
If the defense attorney wanted to ask Eddie about his childhood, his teen years, his personal relationship with other women before he was married he would had to answer them. If he was asked about his personal life and physical habits no matter what they were he would had to answer them truthfully or he would had to lie about things.All of this would have come out in court to disprove his creditability then later the public would have has access to everything which he said during the depositions.
So I think if he were not guilty of this incident, then all the others things in his life, just like ours, would have been exposed.
Things which the Lord has forgiven him of would be food for the public gossip section of this world.The media would have pasted it all over TV world wide. And of course the devil would have had a field day until Eddie would never have ever gained the confidence of his congregation.
So there could be a lot of reasoning behind decision making when your in that position.
I guess we will never know and probably shouldn't know.
A verse in Romans says. When you see a brother sin which is not a sin unto death, then you which are spiritual restore such a one, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
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05-27-2011, 07:04 PM
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
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Originally Posted by Austin
Being in law enforcement I know one of the reasons which he considered. If he would had to fight this issue in the courts, then he would have went through numerous depositions outside of the court room. He could have went through as many as one or ten. In those private depositions the defense attorney can ask any questions he wants to ask. The defendant has to answer them he cannot use the fifth amendment as his escape.
If the defense attorney wanted to ask Eddie about his childhood, his teen years, his personal relationship with other women before he was married he would had to answer them. If he was asked about his personal life and physical habits no matter what they were he would had to answer them truthfully or he would had to lie about things.All of this would have come out in court to disprove his creditability then later the public would have has access to everything which he said during the depositions.
So I think if he were not guilty of this incident, then all the others things in his life, just like ours, would have been exposed.
Things which the Lord has forgiven him of would be food for the public gossip section of this world.The media would have pasted it all over TV world wide. And of course the devil would have had a field day until Eddie would never have ever gained the confidence of his congregation.
So there could be a lot of reasoning behind decision making when your in that position.
I guess we will never know and probably shouldn't know.
A verse in Romans says. When you see a brother sin which is not a sin unto death, then you which are spiritual restore such a one, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
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Are you saying, not only would these confessions be required at deposition, but they would summarily become public knowledge?
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05-27-2011, 07:10 PM
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Austin
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
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Are you saying, not only would these confessions be required at deposition, but they would summarily become public knowledge?
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When you are part of a deposition those facts discussed within the deposition can be used in a court of law. The court is open to the public unless the judge deemed it is not. Also things have a strange way of getting out of the private sector's responsibility and in the hands of the media.
If Eddie had a private time in his life when he was indulging in sinfulness if there is anything within the parameters of that life style which might reflect to those allegations it would be admissible in the hearing.
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05-27-2011, 08:34 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
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Do you know if it was said he was a man after Gods heart after or before the incident?
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It was said before the incident. David was a young man shepherding his father's sheep when YHWH told Samuel that David was a man after His own heart. I did not mean to imply that David was a man after God's own heart because of his evil deed but that even though he had a heart for God he still messed up.
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05-27-2011, 09:00 PM
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
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It was said before the incident. David was a young man shepherding his father's sheep when YHWH told Samuel that David was a man after His own heart. I did not mean to imply that David was a man after God's own heart because of his evil deed but that even though he had a heart for God he still messed up.
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You know right off hand where at in bible?
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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05-27-2011, 10:00 PM
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Urban Pastor
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Re: Bishop Eddie Long Settles Out Of Court
Bishop Long has over 10 attorneys on retainer at all times. The insurance companies that cover him have all their attorneys too.
This is not a decision that Bishop Long has made alone. There have been MANY attorneys that have advised him on the moves to make.
I can assure you that if I were advised by my attorneys to settle - I would be happy to do it. These are some wicked people he has been dealing with.
I think it is a shame and a disgrace for anyone to come on here and sling mud and say what you would do. Number 1 - You have never pastored 30,000 people and don't have a world wide ministry that reaches millions every week - if not every day.
It is small minded midget mentality people that would say he is guilty and you have no clue at all what it is even all about.
We live in Metro Atlanta and this witch of an attorney for these boys - solicited them after she found that they broke into his offices and stole his phones and other pieces of equipment from his offices. She is known for bringing false accusations against ministers.
This all started after Bishop Long and Bernice King led a march in Atlanta that opposed same sex marriage.
I am glad for Bishop Long and New Birth and celebrate with him this great victory!
Another thing - I know personally the men - Pastors/Bishops and advisers that Bishop Long has and sat at the table with some of them this week. Everyone single one told me he as been advised by EVERY attorney, adviser, Pastor/Bishop, Insurance Companies and THE JUDGE - to settle and get it over with! He does have great spiritual fathers in his life that counsel and advise him.
Last edited by ThePastorsCoach; 05-27-2011 at 10:08 PM.
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