Tongue & Interpretation Yesterday

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The problem is tongues and Interpretations are both considered ecstatic utterances explicitly caused by the Holy Ghost. In fact, what I know if interpretations usually someone does not get a typewritten message they can submit to board of elders. He or she gets a word or a sentence and once they utter that the rest follows

And if tongues were mechanical, then yea I can see them going to a board of elders and speaking in tongues then getting approval to repeat it in church.

It just seems comical to have someone give a tongue in your church and the guy that gets an interpretation has to wait a week to see if the board approves it?

I know but I really like the policy.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I know but I really like the policy.

that would be quenching the Spirit, just in my opinion. also the message could be directed at some one who came that day.

For instance when we started going to church, one of the members had passed away at the church we was attending. so no church that night. However my brother was really under heavy urges to go to a church we never went to before.

The pastor was not there and some evangelist stood in for him. He couldnt tell if we was members or not. But he come out and spoke a word to my brother Called him out to, specifically for Him. if that word had awaited approval he would never have gotten it. cause he has not been back to that church since.

so there is a danger of doing that, inmho

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I know but I really like the policy.

does anyone in your new church speak in tongues?

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The problem is tongues and Interpretations are both considered ecstatic utterances explicitly caused by the Holy Ghost. In fact, what I know if interpretations usually someone does not get a typewritten message they can submit to board of elders. He or she gets a word or a sentence and once they utter that the rest follows

And if tongues were mechanical, then yea I can see them going to a board of elders and speaking in tongues then getting approval to repeat it in church.

It just seems comical to have someone give a tongue in your church and the guy that gets an interpretation has to wait a week to see if the board approves it?

Definitely comical and sad at the same time.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Jermyn,

I appreciate the sincerity in your post. You asked:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro,
why did He speak through someone He knew would mess up His Message?

Matthew 7:22 reads, "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'"

My question to you, why would God make his power readily available to evildoers?

The Lord would speak through someone who might "mess up his message" for the very same reason He would make his power available to evildoers, due to love toward His creation.

Due to the works of the flesh, many of these functions are utilized for the person's personal agenda rather than what God intended. At other times one may speak something they would like to hear rather than what "thus saith the Lord." At other times many are just inexperienced.

We have freewill to obey or misuse, but in the end we will be held accountable.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

One more thought-- if God in fact did confirm to you that something is amiss with both T&I incidents in your church, what are you going to do about it? I'm not sure what I would do. Do you think that God has a purpose in pointing this out to you? Do you think that you may be developing a critical spirit-- tainting everything you see and experience?


There's just so much going in your two scenarios you have posted about.

All I can do is pray and be careful. Sometimes one can have a personal conversation with another while be respectful toward a person. I've done it that various times and have been thanked. At other times God has called out someone's mail through me. During those times I speak boldly and let God sort out the aftermath. He always has. Can one develop a critical spirit? Absolutely. Have I found myself in the situation before? Yes, I can't lie.

The solution is remaining sensitive to God and loving the person regardless of their faults. They're still a soul and they must be saved.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

Im sorry, but I agree with my brothers, I do not believe that God "shut the mouth" because you asked Him too, Maybe your attitude was a hindrance to what was being done and it could happen until you left the sanctuary?? Ever thought of that!!

God states, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent."

I believe God would rather prove me wrong than to send me packing and deliver a message behind my back. I'm always willing to admit my wrong, and also willing to repent. I believe the Lord would rather show me my error.

I don't believe I was being a hindrance as I was worshiping God. I've been in services where the Lord spoke and sinners were in the congregation. If those sinners they weren't a hindrance for God then, I doubt I was a hindrance while belonging to Him.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

ROFL...was this satire? Please tell me it was satire.

What cracks me up is that there is no Scriptural precedent for all of the "... and then sometimes there's a hush" or "...and then sometimes there is just one loud authoritative voice..." stuff. Yet, when DeltaGuitar offers a clearly biblical model, albeit one that seems to lean toward an authoritarian direction, you can only "hee-hee."

I'm still waiting for someone to clearly demonstrate that this modern phenomena that we have all observed ("talking in tongues") is actually the same phenomena as that which is described in Acts 2:4, & etc.

Adding heaps of subjective and confusing accounts of what a "real message in tongues" is supposed to "feel like" merely holds the 20th Century Pentecostal Experience up for even more ridicule and criticism.

... imho, of course.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Me too, but not always and the point was who is to say it has to always be that way? The bible never says how?

I've seen saints that apparently didn't get the memo yet go sounding off during the tongues and the interpretation. Perhaps the "hush" is a learned trait?

When we have extended worship and or someone says "Let's be sensitive" being experienced we know that at least someone is expecting T&I or some event to occur. Maybe some of us can sense it too at first. Can you see, after experience, how we can "hush" because we are expecting T&I?

... Reading further into the thread, I see Prax is being careful and observant after all. Excellent points here.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

What cracks me up is that there is no Scriptural precedent for all of the "... and then sometimes there's a hush" or "...and then sometimes there is just one loud authoritative voice..." stuff. Yet, when DeltaGuitar offers a clearly biblical model, albeit one that seems to lean toward an authoritarian direction, you can only "hee-hee."

I'm still waiting for someone to clearly demonstrate that this modern phenomena that we have all observed ("talking in tongues") is actually the same phenomena as that which is described in Acts 2:4, & etc.

Adding heaps of subjective and confusing accounts of what a "real message in tongues" is supposed to "feel like" merely holds the 20th Century Pentecostal Experience up for even more ridicule and criticism.

... imho, of course.

Well first of all Pel, I never offered that it has to be a hush or whatever. In fact I argued against it having to be that way.

Second there is NO biblical model or command for the following regarding interpretation

At our church if a person has a message they are to submit it to the board of elders and only after 1) they agree to be held accountable by the elders, 2) the elders confirm that there is no departure from scripture in the message and 3) the elders feel that it is helpful to the body will they agree to release the message.

If you think there is I would be glad to check it out. But I stand by my first post regarding this

[Praxeas]

BTW here is the biblical model

1Co 14:27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
1Co 14:28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
1Co 14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
1Co 14:30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent.
1Co 14:31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged,
1Co 14:32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.