ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

*BUMP*

I want to keep the ACN, if possible, a focal point on AFF. There are a lot of ministers who have fallen, who are walking wounded, and who have been put out that need the fellowship of good brethren. I want you all to know the ACN is the place to fellowship and enjoy godly anointing.

Intersting group. My Pastor will preach the Thursday evening service.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by PastorDaniel

Bishop Smith, chairman of the AWCF, told me that the AWCF is like the "United Nations"(his words) of the Apostolic Faith. They are made up of over 100 smaller and larger Apostolic Organizations like the PAW, COOLJC, and many others. They also have an Independent Caucus for ministers who are not a member of any organization. However, while they will send you a fellowship card, they do not issue an AWCF certificate of ordinaiton or license. They leave that up to the Organization or Church of said minister.

As Sister Alevear said, the ACN is organized like the ALJC or the UPC. We have Regional Presbyters, Youth Camps, and issue 3 levels of Credentials. However, as an organization, we do not dictate dress-codes. We DO preach holiness, modesty, and seperation as the Bible teaches....but we do not define for you what that is with a rule book or manual which is bragged about as being thicker than the New Testament.

For clarification, I am in no way, form, or fashion, the official spokesman for the ACN. I'm just glad to be a member. You can find more at www.theacn.net

In the ACN MUST one believe that toungues is the initital evidence of the Holy Ghost?

[FaithPreacher]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

In the ACN MUST one believe that toungues is the initital evidence of the Holy Ghost?

Yes.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FaithPreacher

Yes.

So how then can they accept one steppers? Romans 8:9

[FaithPreacher]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So how then can they accept one steppers? Romans 8:9

In a word...toleration.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FaithPreacher

In a word...toleration.

Okay as long as the word is not......consistency

[PastorDaniel]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

In the ACN MUST one believe that toungues is the initital evidence of the Holy Ghost?

I believe tongues is the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost, as I said, I'm not the ACN spokesman, and I gave a link to the website...However, evey "one-stepper" I know believes that tongues is the "initial evidence" of the Holy Ghost.

It is my understanding that the debate is not whether speaking in tongues is evidence of the Holy Ghost...the debate is whether or not you are saved before you have spoken in tongues.

Every Apostolic I know believes you should repent, be baptized in Jesus name, and recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost....so, in my opinion, the argument becomes a moot point...thats why there was a fundamental doctrine in the UPC...it wasn't suppose to matter if you believe that salvation took place at repentance, or at baptism, or at the infilling of the HG with evidence of speaking in other tongues....as long as you believe, preach, and practice all three, Acts 2:38, you fall within the bounds of Apostolic doctrine.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by PastorDaniel

...Every Apostolic I know believes you should repent, be baptized in Jesus name, and recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost....so, in my opinion, the argument becomes a moot point...thats why there was a fundamental doctrine in the UPC...it wasn't suppose to matter if you believe that salvation took place at repentance, or at baptism, or at the infilling of the HG with evidence of speaking in other tongues....as long as you believe, preach, and practice all three, Acts 2:38, you fall within the bounds of Apostolic doctrine.

yeppers

and the UPC has strayed from that original agreement and some have been forced to leave the organization over it

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So how then can they accept one steppers? Romans 8:9

I can't speak for all one steppers but, I believe that when a person asks Jesus Christ to come into His life, Jesus accepts that invitation and comes in as the Holy Spirit. That is the experience of salvation or the birth of the Spirit. Each believer has the Spirit of Christ indwelling within. But, I don't think that is the end of the work of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life. I believe that there is a promise of an empowering experience known as a baptism in the Holy Spirit or submersion into the Holy Spirit or a total saturation in the Holy Spirit available for all believers --and an evidence of that HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) is speaking with tongues. And I believe we are exhorted to walk in (or by means of) the Spirit so we will not fulfill the inclinations and desires of the flesh (our old nature).

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So how then can they accept one steppers? Romans 8:9

My point was if the ACN really affirms that "Tounges is the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit" then they are forced to live with inconsistency (nothing new for a oneness organization) because Romans 8:9 clearly teaches that those who have not received the Spirit don't belong to Christ.

Thus if tongues is the "initial evidence" then all those who have not spoken in tongues are not saved. There is no such thing as someone who is saved but doesn't recieve the Spirit.

It is theologically inconsistent to say both that 1)we are saved at repentance and 2)if you haven't spoken in tongues you do not have the Holy Ghost. It is not only inconsistent it is an outright contradiction.

And yes, I have spoken in tongues. I'm not speaking from personal experience, but what the Bible actually teaches.