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Old 07-17-2011, 11:25 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas

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It is my understanding that the debate is not whether speaking in tongues is evidence of the Holy Ghost...the debate is whether or not you are saved before you have spoken in tongues.
Again I ask, can someone be saved without receiving the Spirit???

Scripture please.
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Old 07-17-2011, 11:35 PM
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The Spirit is what initially calls us to salvation, so no, I don't think salvation occurs apart from the Spirit. I do think a reasonable case is made for a subsequent Spirit baptism and empowerment though.
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Old 07-18-2011, 08:04 AM
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It doesn't look like they're UPCI anymore. Not listed on the UPCI website, and neither minister listed on minister's website.
They are no longer. UPC pulled his card.

His wife (wonderful woman of God) was sick for a long time (couple of years) and past away last year.
He was remarried within 4 months after the funeral. This didnt sit well with his congregation. His wife was dearly loved by all and the suddeness of the marriage led most to think the obvious. He lost much of his congregation because of it, many have become wonderful members of our church now. After that the UPC come in and pulled his card. His own son no longer goes there.
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Old 07-18-2011, 09:08 AM
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Again I ask, can someone be saved without receiving the Spirit???

Scripture please.
To step into a debate of this type is like beating a dead horse on this forum...I'm Apostolic and I preach repentance, baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling...thats enough for God....thats enough for me...and honestly...I don't care if it's enough for you or not...sorry...not trying to be offensive...just stating the facts
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Old 07-18-2011, 09:25 AM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas

I have no earthly idea how they believe...personally I am what has been labeled here on this forum as a 3 stepper BUT at the same time while I can and do state how I feel. I am not on the bandwagon sending people to the lake...I feel we can accomplish more for the KINGDOM through kindness that we can spitting into the microphone somewhere with all those ughs and awes and hospital dying sounds that shallow people think is anointing...

With that said...I do not personally believe like the said group above but am sure there are precious people there and like any other group there are some that are not so true blue...
The Baker "boys" if I may use the expression do not teach what their folks once taught but that does not make them devils...and I have not seen them for many years so it is not some personal friend that I am protecting but at the end of the day when our computers are put away it will be the JUDGE of the earth that makes the final decisions about all of us...

Matthew 25:31-46 :

"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, AND HE WILL SEPARATE THEM ONE FROM ANOTHER, AS A SHEPHERD DIVIDES HIS SHEEP FROM THE GOATS. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

"Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'

"Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'

"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'


A lot of things will be taken into consideration on that day...Since some (no one that I know of that writes on this forum but others that read here) seem to have taken things I say out of context and used the expression I do not believe anything...they say things like that for other means and they are wrong...I DO believe in something and teach Bible school several days a week but in the Holy writings we find Jesus had his biggest problem with those that claimed to be so holy ... it was them and them alone HE condemned...not the woman in adultery, not the tax collector, not the lady that washed his feet....but those that stood on the street corners boasting how holy they were...
He was not impressed by the million dollar offerings but impressed by a little lady that gave her bread money...He was not impressed by their temple in fact he told them that a day would come when there would not be stone on stone...

DID JESUS believe something? Of course He did...enough to die for what HE believed...
Do I believe something? Of course I do...enough to give 43 years of my life on a lone mission field!

We plan to be at Brother Holmes meeting but would love to sit down with the Bakers and talk about our common ground...foremost...Brazil...

Being friends with someone does not mean we see eye to eye...I am friends with people that hate the thought of women preachers, post tribulation, footwashing, and all kinds of things I believe and practice.

Deep inside me I think it is gross error not to believe in certain things but I am NOT the JUDGE am only one of the little ones that love Him and want to make HIM known among the heathen. I do not want a false holiness or a false covering...I long for the deepness of HIS presence and a great moving of His Spirit.

I am so hungry to see a great move of God all over our world... I think of these scriptures this morning...

‘If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land’ (2 Chronicles 7:14).

Thus says the Lord: “For I will pour water on him who is thirsty, and floods on the dry ground; I will pour out My Spirit on your descendants and My blessing on your offspring” (Isaiah 44:3).

‘O Lord, though our iniquities testify against us, do it for Your name’s sake; for our backslidings are many, we have sinned against You’ (Jeremiah 14:7)

And of the well known verse; Thus says the Lord: “And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions; and also on My menservants and My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days” (Joel 2:28-29).

May we be fully committed and surrendered to the will of the Master..when that happens we often see things in a different manner....
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas

I spoke at Brother Holmes campmeeting one year on PASSION...and I still feel the same passion I felt that day to preach the gospel to every creature...I wept just yesterday in prayer that death reaches so many before we do...
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas

What is the name of the church in Bryant?
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I have no knowlege of anything..just gave an opinion as an outsider....
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In the ACN MUST one believe that toungues is the initital evidence of the Holy Ghost?
Jason,
A requisite for membership is that you must have repented, been baptized in Jesus' name and been filled w/the Holy Ghost w/the evidence of speaking in other tongues.

They have a place on their website, www.theacn.net, that you can find all the minutae you want on what they do or don't believe.

And the point made about one-steppers being allowed "in" because of toleration is very insulting to those that believe and fervently preach Acts 2:28 but are one-steppers.

Why does anyone think that one-steppers don't believe in Acts 2:38? It just seems to me that it's because one-steppers preach and practice grace more openly than three steppers.

The folks in the ACN are godly people, but to some the ACN doesn't have "standards". Oh well. Some said John the baptist had a demon, some said Jesus was a glutton and a drunk. Some elitists want everyone to look and dress in lockstep. You just will never please everybody. And you can't "judge" another man's servant...Can I get an Amen?
I called a an ALJC preacher in the Dallas area and thought I'd direct him to Peace Church in Mesquite. I asked him if he knew Jim Baker, and his response was, "Well, I've heard Br. Baker has gone charismatic".

IOW, if your men wear facial heard or shave their heads, if the women cut or trim their hair or wear appropriate dress clothes to include slacks, then they don't have standards?

My response to that is "TRY IT, YOU'LL LIKE IT!" lol And then if you still have issues with it, take a deep breath and YAWN. Get over it.

The ACN (at least to this point) believes in grace and that even the fallen or discouraged still have a place in the work of the Kingdom. IOW, the gifts and callings for Israel and the church are without repentance. They just don't mouth it. They practice it. Jim Baker (the present chairman) said last year that the word, Christian in the name of the network is intentional, the implication being that instead of a fist, we should be offering an extended hand.

The fact of the matter is, the ACN understands what it means to be able to have a difference of opinion over Acts 2:38 (much like those at the merger of the UPC) and that there are MUCH bigger fish to fry than (like the UPC historically has) to argue amongst ourselves over it, split churches over it, overturn entire districts over it. In the meantime, as the chairman of the ACN told me, a generation of preachers were put on the shelf when they could and should have been used by God (AND the ministry) to win the lost to Jesus Christ. He is not far off. I know dozens of former United Pentecostal preachers and some still in, that because they weren't born with the right last name, or because they were "one-step", or because they suffered spiritual wounds and therefore "anathema", that they were cast off, without so much as a phone call from another preacher as to their welfare.

Another area of latitude the ACN has (I must be careful since someone will see the word "COMPROMISE" where I wrote latitude) is in the area of eschatalogy. They do not take a Darbyesque stand or make a difference of opinion re: end-times an issue of fellowship or non-licensure. It's about time that happened in Apostolic ranks, IMO.

One other thing for now; the ACN is not afraid of their ministers pursuing higher education whether secularly, or at religious institutions.

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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas

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What is the name of the church in Bryant?

It is First Pentecostal Church

P.s. I really appreciate your longer post. That is how I try to be and wish that everyone was. I don't see why it is so important to be backed into a corner on a specific point of doctrine...unless it makes those who insist feel superior or something...Ephesians ch. 4 teaches that we should endeavor to keep the unity of the spirit....unitl we come into the unity of the faith...

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