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Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
Wine toast at a wedding.
A dance for the Bride and Groom.
Champagne on your anniversary.
Makeup to cover zits and imperfections.
Water skiing in a swimsuit.
Occasionally watching a movie (in your living room or theatre).
I have no issues with these, nor see any scriptural support for opposing them.
What say you? Based on this, can I still be considered "Holiness"? Or am I in the Devil's lair?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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08-12-2011, 10:20 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
Or maybe you're lookin to rial up one of those hard nose conservatives then talk about how legalistic and uneducated he is? Maybe you'd like to show everyone how those Ultra Cons are mean and hateful and focus so much on the outside that they are a cesspool of bitterness on the inside? Maybe you're looking for oppurtunity to accuse the brethren? If that's the case (and i sincerely hope it isn't) then the answer is no, that isn't holiness of heart.
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08-12-2011, 10:22 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
no problem with me.
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08-12-2011, 10:24 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
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Or maybe you're lookin to rial up one of those hard nose conservatives then talk about how legalistic and uneducated he is? Maybe you'd like to show everyone how those Ultra Cons are mean and hateful and focus so much on the outside that they are a cesspool of bitterness on the inside? Maybe you're looking for oppurtunity to accuse the brethren? If that's the case (and i sincerely hope it isn't) then the answer is no, that isn't holiness of heart.
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believe what you want, I won't be going to your church.
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08-12-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
Or maybe you're lookin to rial up one of those hard nose conservatives then talk about how legalistic and uneducated he is? Maybe you'd like to show everyone how those Ultra Cons are mean and hateful and focus so much on the outside that they are a cesspool of bitterness on the inside? Maybe you're looking for oppurtunity to accuse the brethren? If that's the case (and i sincerely hope it isn't) then the answer is no, that isn't holiness of heart.
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Well no, I am not. I don't think my record here on AFF would bear that out either. The question is serious, though I am having a bit of fun asking it.
Admittedly, the "Devil's Lair" thing is a bit TIC.
My entire Mennonite family, and my wife and her family are more conservative than I, yet I don't think any of them are bitter, or necessarily legalistic etc.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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08-12-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
Good teaching on I Cor. 11 (uncut).
Absolute necessity of Acts 2:38 salvation.
Abstaining from movies, television, and any other ungodly media.
Restricted use of internet and use of good filters.
Abstaining from jewelry (including wedding bands).
Believing in modesty of dress (following guidelines set by my pastor).
Praying in earnest for a genuine move of God in the Jesus name movement, including those that i agree with and those that i don't (reguardless of organization). Taking a stand for holiness and separation from the world while acknowledging that everyone who has been baptized in THE name and filled with THE Spirit is my brother/sister.
I don't care what you call me, as long as HE calls me faithful.
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08-12-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
Or maybe you're lookin to rial up one of those hard nose conservatives then talk about how legalistic and uneducated he is? Maybe you'd like to show everyone how those Ultra Cons are mean and hateful and focus so much on the outside that they are a cesspool of bitterness on the inside? Maybe you're looking for oppurtunity to accuse the brethren? If that's the case (and i sincerely hope it isn't) then the answer is no, that isn't holiness of heart.
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Ya, I am actually completely with Hoovie but believe it is a set-up question. But didn't Jesus make more then one set-up question? Anyways, I understand what he is trying to say. If we broke it down to a specific point in the first post, what would ultra-cons say to something like wine being served at a members wedding reception?
Or a dance between the bride and groom? After all, isn't it supposed to be THEIR wedding?
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08-12-2011, 10:32 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
Or maybe you're lookin to rial up one of those hard nose conservatives then talk about how legalistic and uneducated he is? Maybe you'd like to show everyone how those Ultra Cons are mean and hateful and focus so much on the outside that they are a cesspool of bitterness on the inside? Maybe you're looking for oppurtunity to accuse the brethren? If that's the case (and i sincerely hope it isn't) then the answer is no, that isn't holiness of heart.
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You must not know Hoovie very well. 
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08-12-2011, 10:37 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Well no, I am not. I don't think my record here on AFF would bear that out either. The question is serious, though I am having a bit of fun asking it.
Admittedly, the "Devil's Lair" thing is a bit TIC.
My entire Mennonite family, and my wife and her family are more conservative than I, yet I don't think any of them are bitter, or necessarily legalistic etc.
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ok good! 
And an honest answer...i don't agree with you that the majority of these things are ok. Maybe with the exception of a dance between the bride and groom. But i do not know the condition of your heart and wouldn't try to say.
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08-12-2011, 10:39 PM
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Re: Liberties or The Devil's Lair?
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
Good teaching on I Cor. 11 (uncut).
Absolute necessity of Acts 2:38 salvation.
Abstaining from movies, television, and any other ungodly media.
Restricted use of internet and use of good filters.
Abstaining from jewelry (including wedding bands).
Believing in modesty of dress (following guidelines set by my pastor).
Praying in earnest for a genuine move of God in the Jesus name movement, including those that i agree with and those that i don't (reguardless of organization). Taking a stand for holiness and separation from the world while acknowledging that everyone who has been baptized in THE name and filled with THE Spirit is my brother/sister.
I don't care what you call me, as long as HE calls me faithful. |
Here is the straight scoop. There was a time (soon after I became Pentecostal) when I was looking for a church as you describe... with ONE BIG exception! I have never believed only Oneness Pentecostals were my brothers and sisters.
(actually possibly two, because I also believe a veil is in question in Cor 11)
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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