Jesus and Spirit Baptism - Page 2

acerrak · #11 08-16-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

cindy is right. I did a search and found luke 4:1:

And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

was this from birth? how does this affect oneness christology?

maybe you should look at some of my post history and see how i view it. im considered a heretic on these forums, eh but i dont care. maybe it will give you some insight.

Amanah · #12 08-17-2011, 03:27 AM

If you were Hindu, you would say that Jesus didn't need to be filled with the Spirit of God, he would just need to realize that he was God.

Namaste

acerrak · #13 08-17-2011, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

If you were Hindu, you would say that Jesus didn't need to be filled with the Spirit of God, he would just need to realize that he was God.

Namaste

Thank the Lord im not a Hindu, cause i love to eat Cow

TGBTG · #14 08-17-2011, 07:41 AM

Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

The angel called Jesus the Lord at his birth (not after his baptism)

John 5
17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus calling God his Father claimed equality with God. But we see also that Jesus called God his Father even at age 12 (way before his baptism). Thus claiming equality with God even at that age.

Luke 2
48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
50And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

Matt 2
11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

The wise men worshiped Him even when he was still a child...

So what happened at the baptism?

John 1
30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Everyone did not see the Spirit descend on Jesus. It was a sign to John.

JESUS was not just a man. He was and is and will always be The Almighty God

acerrak · #15 08-17-2011, 10:35 AM

Tbtg your really just trying to put scripture against scripture.

surely when Peter said Jesus was annointed by God and filled with the Holy spirit to do miracles, your not calling his statement untrue

also the Child will be called the Son of the MOST HIGH

that child grew in favor with God, does God grow in favor with God?
luke 1-3

acerrak · #16 08-17-2011, 11:43 AM

here i wanted to get in more depth.

Mary found favor with God

luke 1
30 Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.

gabriel said this to mary

Luke1
. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.

luke 1
43 But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

surely God had no mother... But Jesus did.

Luke 1

67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “ Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,

luke 2

20 Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told them.

Then didnt stay there and praise the baby as God, they returned to their fields Glorify and praising God

Luke 2
22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord

Mary and Joseph presented baby Jesus to God

Luke 2

52And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

interesting Jesus increased in favor with God just like His mother.

Luke 3

22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

mfblume · #17 08-17-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

cindy is right. I did a search and found luke 4:1:

And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

was this from birth? how does this affect oneness christology?

Oneness is not affected because the humanity of Jesus had to pray. Why not require Spirit infilling as well? When we equate His humanity with deity, which is error, then we get into all sorts of other errors. His humanity was humanity, and he had actual diapers that had to be changed while an infant, and had to learn to walk. Why not be required to have the Spirit infilling as well? After all, He had to pray.

acerrak · #18 08-17-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Oneness is not affected because the humanity of Jesus had to pray. Why not require Spirit infilling as well? When we equate His humanity with deity, which is error, then we get into all sorts of other errors. His humanity was humanity, and he had actual dipaers that had to be changed while an infant, and had to learn to walk. Why not be required to have the Spirit infilling as well? After all, He had to pray.

see what you say here is not so much difference in what i speak, Jesus the human wasnt God Jesus had to pray. 100% like me, and you

The Father YHWH inside him was God, and God did baptise Him with the Spirit

YHWH God (SPIRIT)
Jesus Son human

Dedicated Mind · #19 08-17-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

see what you say here is not so much difference in what i speak, Jesus the human wasnt God Jesus had to pray. 100% like me, and you

The Father YHWH inside him was God, and God did baptise Him with the Spirit

YHWH God (SPIRIT)
Jesus Son human

what you are not grasping is that jesus is the same person as yahweh, only a human yahweh. human yaweh existed simultaneously with yahweh god. 2 modes of existence, 1 person. with the hs, 3 modes of existence, 1 person.

mfblume · #20 08-17-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

see what you say here is not so much difference in what i speak, Jesus the human wasnt God Jesus had to pray. 100% like me, and you

The Father YHWH inside him was God, and God did baptise Him with the Spirit

YHWH God (SPIRIT)
Jesus Son human

Yes, but the only difference is you feel this demands two different persons, whereas I think it is one divine person doing it all.