For those who believe in a future "Tribulation". In your view, is the period in which you would refer to as the "Tribulation Period" 7 years or 3 1/2 years? How does it relate to Daniel's 70th week? I realize i am posting this on a forum of mostly partial or full preterists, but I am trying to avoid any discussions on that particular topic with this thread. This is a question pertaining to the futuristic view of the Tribulation.
First of all the 70 weeks that were predicted were continuous, there is nothing in the scriptures that say otherwise.
show me single scripture that says the 70 weeks were somehow interrupted, I am not talking about suppostitions or asumptions, but actual scriptures.
Let me save you the effort of looking, there is none whatsoever.
70 weeks were predicted and that is exactly what happen.
why must some people insist that somehow the 70 weeks were not continuous, the Bible clearly says so.
The last week is accounted easiy The 3 1/2 years of the last week was the ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ which lasted around 3 1/2 years and in the midst of that week he thw Messiah was cut off, then the other 3 1/2 years was the time of the confirmation of the New Covenant to Israel (Here is the coventant that so many people attribute erroneously to a supposed future anti-christ), at the end of the 3 1/2 years the Gospel went to the gentiles.
There are the 7 years, no need to say the last week was not fulfilled.
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First of all the 70 weeks that were predicted were continuous, there is nothing in the scriptures that say otherwise.
show me single scripture that says the 70 weeks were somehow interrupted, I am not talking about suppostitions or asumptions, but actual scriptures.
Let me save you the effort of looking, there is none whatsoever.
70 weeks were predicted and that is exactly what happen.
why must some people insist that somehow the 70 weeks were not continuous, the Bible clearly says so.
The last week is accounted easiy The 3 1/2 years of the last week was the ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ which lasted around 3 1/2 years and in the midst of that week he thw Messiah was cut off, then the other 3 1/2 years was the time of the confirmation of the New Covenant to Israel (Here is the coventant that so many people attribute erroneously to a supposed future anti-christ), at the end of the 3 1/2 years the Gospel went to the gentiles.
There are the 7 years, no need to say the last week was not fulfilled.
unless daniel and revelation speak of 2 different things, i am like you believe the 70 weeks is over, but at the same token i believe the book of revelation has its own cookies seperate from daniel, as many of these prophecies written havent had there mark in history.
cause John isnt gonna write a book of prophecy, which it is and then talk about something that has already came to pass. it wouldnt be the spirit of prophecy. an which it was written least 40-60 years after chirsts crucifiction.
the end of the 70 weeks would bring it about to the time frame of stephens stoning.
So i still think the book of revelation is its own entity. One i have been looking at from a futurist and partial preterist perspective.
I dont think this forum is "full of preterists and partial preterists"
I know of one Partial. I think there are maybe a couple more.
Most here are futurists of some kind or another.
I dont know of any Full Preterists... I could be wrong but there aint many.
Very few Trinitarians and Perterists and several more Partial Preterists, but yes, I think most are Futurist.
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unless daniel and revelation speak of 2 different things, i am like you believe the 70 weeks is over, but at the same token i believe the book of revelation has its own cookies seperate from daniel, as many of these prophecies written havent had there mark in history.
I could entertain that thought. I most certainly believe there is a 3 1/2 year tribulation period coming. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
Historical fact: Nero persecuted the church for 3.5 years.
John was told Revelation's events were at hand from the point of the writing. Jesus said great tribulation would occur and be the cause for those in Jerusalem and Judaea to flee to the mountains. Not for believers across the world to flee. And Jesus said the generation who would see ALL the events listed in Matt 24 would see this, including the temple destruction that occurred in AD70. History says that Christians who saw Cestius Gallus retreat from his siege against Jerusalem took that as Jesus' signal to flee, and did. Not one Christian perished in the siege as a result. Thank God they were not futurists! Drop the fellowship party line and accept Jesus' words instead of filtering everything through predetermined lenses of looking for your belief rather than allow scripture to relate truth to you. . Admit you were wrong as a futurist, as I did, and recognize the present rule of Jesus.
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Historical fact: Nero persecuted the church for 3.5 years.
John was told Revelation's events were at hand from the point of the writing. Jesus said great tribulation would occur and be the cause for those in Jerusalem and Judaea to flee to the mountains. Not for believers across the world to flee. And Jesus said the generation who would see ALL the events listed in Matt 24 would see this, including the temple destruction that occurred in AD70. History says that Christians who saw Cestius Gallus retreat from his siege against Jerusalem took that as Jesus' signal to flee, and did. Not one Christian perished in the siege as a result. Thank God they were not futurists! Drop the fellowship party line and accept Jesus' words instead of filtering everything through predetermined lenses of looking for your belief rather than allow scripture to relate truth to you. . Admit you were wrong as a futurist, as I did, and recognize the present rule of Jesus.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Historical fact: Nero persecuted the church for 3.5 years. John was told Revelation's events were at hand from the point of the writing. Jesus said great tribulation would occur and be the cause for those in Jerusalem and Judaea to flee to the mountains. Not for believers across the world to flee. And Jesus said the generation who would see ALL the events listed in Matt 24 would see this, including the temple destruction that occurred in AD70. History says that Christians who saw Cestius Gallus retreat from his siege against Jerusalem took that as Jesus' signal to flee, and did. Not one Christian perished in the siege as a result. Thank God they were not futurists! Drop the fellowship party line and accept Jesus' words instead of filtering everything through predetermined lenses, looking for your belief rather than allow scripture to relate truth to you.
Problem is Mike that Jesus was supposed to come after the 3.5 years. He was supposed to come and kill the beast and resurrect the saints in the first resurrection.
Another problem for your view there were supposed to be martyrs from all nations. A great multitude of them.
This view is essentially just another way of teaching pre trib rapture. No great tribulation. No man of sin. The very things Paul warned us against.
Drop the fellowship party line and accept Jesus' words instead of filtering everything through predetermined lenses, looking for your belief rather than allow scripture to relate truth to you.
Consider your own words. Prets LOOK BACK and try to find things to relate their doctrine to.
It is a BACKWARD looking theology that separates Christs coming from the signs he gave of it by some thousands of years.
Ironically they have created THEIR OWN GAP THEORY!
. Admit you were wrong as a futurist, as I did, and recognize the present rule of Jesus.
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