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Old 09-20-2011, 01:11 PM
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That's the victim mentality that's so prevalent among blacks. If we aren't succeeding it's SOMEONE ELSE'S fault. The truth is,iIf a black owned business isn't succeeding, it's the black owned business's fault, not whitey.

Look at the thousands of successful minority businesses within the Asian community for a good example. Minority after minority succeeds with hard work and providing a commodity that's needed at fair prices. That's the American way.

To do business with a person or store simply because they're black owned is wrong and perpetuates the victim mentality that's so common within the black behavior.
I disagree with you.

First off, a black person's reasoning to do business with a black owned business is not wrong as long as the motivation behind it is not racial hatred of other non-blacks.

Second of all, if more black owned businesses thrived there would not be any room for the "victim mentality" because of whitey.

The stats from the current economic turndown are staggering, hardly anyone is blaming "whitey", still some are blaming Bush but that's not the same thing. People realize the economy is bad for everyone, yet and still the bad economy has affected blacks and other minorities disproportionately.

Why?


My Dad made a joke when I was a little kid, years ago when we were going to visit my Grandparents and extended family in West Virginia-- a region economically depressed for a long time now.

"When I walked into a McDonald's and saw all the employees were white, I knew black people didn't stand a chance for finding a job down there in that rubbish town."

We laughed, but there was some truth behind that joke.



You won't hear hardly anyone criticize Jews for supporting other Jews in business and charity, but to suggest for blacks to do the same thing is some how racist.

It's not racist, it's survival and to have more black owned businesses thriving is good not just for blacks, but for the whole society.

More businesses, more jobs. More jobs, better schools. Better schools, better standards of living. Better standards of living, less people turning to petty crime (i.e. drug dealing) to make money.
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I think hispanics are taught that by their enviroment.
I think this goes for all humans.
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Yeah. That's why I tend to ask questions because the definitions for racist are so subjective and often ridiculous.
Racism and prejudice are different, but people lump them all together whenever it suits their purposes.


I am prejudiced against obeese women.

I am prejudiced for Wendy's specialty burgers-- a new one every 2 or 3 months.



I am racist against Martians. I think they are bad.
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Racism and prejudice are different, but people lump them all together whenever it suits their purposes.


I am prejudiced against obeese women.

I am prejudiced for Wendy's specialty burgers-- a new one every 2 or 3 months.



I am racist against Martians. I think they are bad.
Are you working to resolve these flaws in your character?
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I was born, rasied and still live in the south and your statement is racist. Racist does not just mean whites againts blacks. It sounds to me as if you are racist against people from the south and that puts you in the same category as those from your church who you claim are racist.

There are many intelligent non-racist people in the south. Unfornuately, the ones that get the attention are the ones who are racist. Curious as to how many non-racist people from the south are in your church?
Uh, no it does not. It portrays her as being ignorant or prejudiced but being from the south is not a race
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Are you working to resolve these flaws in your character?
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I disagree with you.

First off, a black person's reasoning to do business with a black owned business is not wrong as long as the motivation behind it is not racial hatred of other non-blacks.

Second of all, if more black owned businesses thrived there would not be any room for the "victim mentality" because of whitey.

The stats from the current economic turndown are staggering, hardly anyone is blaming "whitey", still some are blaming Bush but that's not the same thing. People realize the economy is bad for everyone, yet and still the bad economy has affected blacks and other minorities disproportionately.

Why?


My Dad made a joke when I was a little kid, years ago when we were going to visit my Grandparents and extended family in West Virginia-- a region economically depressed for a long time now.

"When I walked into a McDonald's and saw all the employees were white, I knew black people didn't stand a chance for finding a job down there in that rubbish town."

We laughed, but there was some truth behind that joke.



You won't hear hardly anyone criticize Jews for supporting other Jews in business and charity, but to suggest for blacks to do the same thing is some how racist.

It's not racist, it's survival and to have more black owned businesses thriving is good not just for blacks, but for the whole society.

More businesses, more jobs. More jobs, better schools. Better schools, better standards of living. Better standards of living, less people turning to petty crime (i.e. drug dealing) to make money.
What if the same people who do business with blacks because the are black refuse to do business with whites or latinos?
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What if the same people who do business with blacks because the are black refuse to do business with whites or latinos?
I think that's one of the dangers of the mindset, "I am going to support black businesses" it can turn into something else.


Even still, if I could easily buy everything that I purchase from businesses that are American-owned and operated only, I would.

Why?

Our country needs help. It's always better to support your own-- and your own doesn't necessarily have to be a racial referrence.

Why should I support Amir in southern India when I could support Marcus down the street?

Why should I purchase my cheesy American Flag lapels from a Chinese manufacturer?


Why would I go to the "Soul Food" restaurant in SE DC that is owned and operated by a Korean family?

There are Christians who purchase their fast food almost solely from Chic Fil A. Are they wrong for doing so?



Blacks and whites throw the "racist" word around so much without any respect for the meaning of the word.

Preferrences are human nature.

Racism implies something that is sytematic.
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I think that's one of the dangers of the mindset, "I am going to support black businesses" it can turn into something else.


Even still, if I could easily buy everything that I purchase from businesses that are American-owned and operated only, I would.

Why?

Our country needs help. It's always better to support your own-- and your own doesn't necessarily have to be a racial referrence.

Why should I support Amir in southern India when I could support Marcus down the street?

Why should I purchase my cheesy American Flag lapels from a Chinese manufacturer?


Why would I go to the "Soul Food" restaurant in SE DC that is owned and operated by a Korean family?

There are Christians who purchase their fast food almost solely from Chic Fil A. Are they wrong for doing so?



Blacks and whites throw the "racist" word around so much without any respect for the meaning of the word.

Preferrences are human nature.

Racism implies something that is sytematic.
Right...supporting your own.

Supporting your own country more than others is called NationalISM

Supporting your own race more than others is called .......
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