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Old 10-05-2011, 02:42 PM
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Re: What Must I Do?

All we deserve is Hell.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:55 PM
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No... God has shown mercy to the undeserving who would have otherwise perished. Peter's point however, is that God shows no partiality between Jew and Gentile. You will find all peoples among God's elect.

You're under the illusion that all deserve a chance. The truth is... NONE of us deserve a chance. All we deserve is Hell.

If God has chosen you... fall on your face weeping with thankfulness and reverence. You had nothing to do with it. Your God rescued you from a devil's Hell.
Yeah, right. God chooses some to go to hell, though He is not willing any should perish. (okaaay).
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:57 PM
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Some people see God as a probation officer who demands everyone come register with him for probation or they'll get the slammer forever. And if they break probation, they could be locked up forever.

Others see God as a merciful God who, knowing that the entire human race deserves Hell and would be lost, chose to save a remnant for His own glory. And that remnant, the elect, were chosen according to nothing but His mercy, love, and grace. They were rescued by God, who has compassion, knowing they are but flesh.
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Some people see God as a probation officer who demands everyone come register with him for probation or they'll get the slammer forever. And if they break probation, they could be locked up forever.
STRAWMAN!!!

No, we believe God is so loving that He wills none perish, discounting the concept that He will some to go to hell as calvinism proposes.
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Yeah, right. God chooses some to go to hell, though He is not willing any should perish. (okaaay).
God has a perfect will and a sovereign will. Of course God would desire that all men be saved. However, ALL MEN are hopelessly lost. All men have chosen sin and are in bondage to sin. All DESERVE Hell. God didn't choose some to go to Hell. We all deserve Hell on account of sin.

What God did was choose to rescue an elect remnant according to His love and grace that He might be glorified in them.

You act like man is some pitiful, cute, little creature that a big bad God chose to send to Hell. No... mankind is a monster. A beast. A vile and filthy thing deserving of eternal torments for his crimes against an eternal God and his own race.

Many say it's not fair that God sends men to Hell. No... it's perfectly fair because all men DESERVE it. What isn't fair is... the fact that God's mercy compelled Him to save an elect remnant... through punishing His only begotten Son in their place that His justice and holiness be satisfied. That's what isn't fair.

So if you want God to be fair... LOOKOUT. That's the LAST thing you should ever want.

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Old 10-05-2011, 03:09 PM
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So if you want God to be fair... LOOKOUT. That's the LAST thing you should ever want.
Ha. No he is a Just GOD. If he does not give everyone a chance, then he is not JUST.

You preach and UNJUST GOD.
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Old 10-05-2011, 03:19 PM
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No. In grammar class we all, mostly, were taught that things in a sentence between commas can be omitted from sentences and the sentence still mean the same thing. The reason we include something between commas is to give a lil' further info to was discussed already or to remind the person reading or listening to what the topic is. I believe it like this, "Then Peter said to them be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins you shall receive the HG..." I think when he said "repent" he was talking about the whole thing like this, "They asked what shall we do? Peter said, Repent ( which you already have done )..." I could be wrong, but this is what I believe he was saying. Not saying they were saved before repentance, but he was recounting what the process of salvation is. Repent, call on the lord and you are saved, then be baptized for the remission of sins and then you will receive the HG....

wow JT, there is a lot of adding to.

Nowhere is it suggested that the "repent" part was a recap of what had already taken place.

Further by doing so, you suggest that repenance providing salvation occurs seperately from baptism unto remission.... that is a bit of a theological problem you have there.
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Old 10-05-2011, 03:20 PM
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God is willing that none should perish ...except those that perish. O.o
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Old 10-05-2011, 03:25 PM
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Paul says "Dont think to highly of yourself because God has given every man the measure of faith"


the implication is that God deals to all men enough faith for salvation. Thus answering the question Auuila is posing. This does not mean that all God has so "pricked" are saved and regenerated.
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Old 10-05-2011, 03:26 PM
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Ha. No he is a Just GOD. If he does not give everyone a chance, then he is not JUST.

You preach and UNJUST GOD.
Just is very different than fair.

For example, let's say I have two kids. When one turns 12 I give him a bicycle. Yet my daughter isn't as responsible. When she turns twelve I buy her a video game. She's going to kick and scream that I wasn't fair...and she's right. I was "just".

It's not fair that God save anyone. If we all got what was fair, we'd all burn forever in a devil's Hell. But God is just. God desires to reveal His love and mercy. So God chose a remnant to be saved. However, to justify saving them (make Himself just in saving them) someone had to pay the price for them. And so God gave His only begotten Son to satisfy His warranted wrath...that this elect remnant might be saved.

I admit, my God isn't "fair". He's just.
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