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10-18-2011, 09:45 PM
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The bible was written by men.
We can all agree that the bible didn't fall from heaven. The ideas contained within its pages MAY have fallen from heaven but it itself was written on material taken from the earth by the hands of earth dwelling men. These men wrote the truths God had revealed to them in their own earthly languages.
To make matters worse, the languages of these men were living. The languages changed and words took on new meanings and new connotations. In fact, english has changed soo much from what it was originally that most of us would have difficulty deciphering a passage written in Old English.
So what does all this mean? It means that we cannot take as fact any doctrine based only off a word in the bible that may have had different connotations in the day in which it was written.
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10-18-2011, 09:58 PM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
Au contraire! It does not make matters "worse". It makes it even more incredible and miraculous. God has not only miraculously preserved his word, but has intertwined much cross reference material within it to support essential Christian doctrine.
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10-18-2011, 10:14 PM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
God has revealed Himself in the scriptures thru the words written by men. Do we have a perfect canon today, I don't think so, but God is assuredly found in the text, and He further reveals Himself to us by His Spirit.
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10-18-2011, 11:41 PM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
What an Ignorant post. 
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10-18-2011, 11:43 PM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
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Au contraire! It does not make matters "worse". It makes it even more incredible and miraculous. God has not only miraculously preserved his word, but has intertwined much cross reference material within it to support essential Christian doctrine.
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Amen. 
The miraculous way in which OT scripture foreshadows the New makes it plain it is of God! That is just one facet of many other proofs.
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10-18-2011, 11:50 PM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
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Who's is?
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10-19-2011, 01:09 AM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
We can all agree that the bible didn't fall from heaven. The ideas contained within its pages MAY have fallen from heaven but it itself was written on material taken from the earth by the hands of earth dwelling men. These men wrote the truths God had revealed to them in their own earthly languages.
To make matters worse, the languages of these men were living. The languages changed and words took on new meanings and new connotations. In fact, english has changed soo much from what it was originally that most of us would have difficulty deciphering a passage written in Old English.
So what does all this mean? It means that we cannot take as fact any doctrine based only off a word in the bible that may have had different connotations in the day in which it was written.
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Language does change but not necessarily to the degree you are portraying.
Additionally linguists are able to look to antiquities and see how those words were used
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10-19-2011, 05:29 AM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
We can all agree that the bible didn't fall from heaven. The ideas contained within its pages MAY have fallen from heaven but it itself was written on material taken from the earth by the hands of earth dwelling men. These men wrote the truths God had revealed to them in their own earthly languages.
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True.
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To make matters worse, the languages of these men were living. The languages changed and words took on new meanings and new connotations. In fact, english has changed soo much from what it was originally that most of us would have difficulty deciphering a passage written in Old English.
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Not true.
All of the resources necessary to decipher a passage written in Old English are readily available to us - just as they are for Biblical languages.
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So what does all this mean? It means that we cannot take as fact any doctrine based only off a word in the bible that may have had different connotations in the day in which it was written.
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Perhaps you would be so kind as to identify a significant Bible doctrine that is based "off a word" that we have misunderstood.
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10-19-2011, 05:31 AM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
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What a childish response.
Why don't you step up to the plate and make a substantive post that will add something more than Junior High theatrics to this thread.
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10-19-2011, 06:37 AM
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Re: The bible was written by men.
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True.
Not true.
All of the resources necessary to decipher a passage written in Old English are readily available to us - just as they are for Biblical languages.
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Of course Old English is possible to decipher in most cases. It's just extremely difficult to. However, there is one key difference to deciphering Old English and deciphering the bible: when something written in Old English appears clearly wrong when compared with other evidences we either try to look at the world through the author's eyes and see why he described the situation in the way he did or else we say he was mistaken. With the bible its often let our interpretation of the bible be true and let every other evidence be damned.
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Perhaps you would be so kind as to identify a significant Bible doctrine that is based "off a word" that we have misunderstood.
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In time.
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