Priests & Holy Places

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Yes, and I honestly think that is what Hebrews 8 through 9 is trying to say. Notice the references to FIRST and SECOND.

Heb 8:13-9:10 KJV In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (9:1) Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. (2) For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. (3) And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; (4) Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; (5) And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. (6) Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. (7) But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: (8) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: (9) Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; (10) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

The first and second tabernacles are mentioned in context of the first and second covenants. Splitting up the two chapters removes that appearance. And that is why the 10th verse says the old covenant ordinances were imposed UNTIL Jesus entered the holiest and removed the veil!

If the FIRST COVENANT had ordinances and the SECOND COVENANT DOES NOT, then the first has been removed! That is why Heb 9 says the first tabernacle is removed as well!

I am so glad I asked. I love this type of study. There is so much more to the word of God than we get with a simple cursory reading.

[mfblume]

What is scary about this is that those who propose a dispensational millennium with carnal ordinances of divine service occurring during a millennium are actually implying the Lord's atonement is going to be abbrogated and done away with, requiring the very things that were only imposed UNTIL the reformation of Christ's ascension into heaven to be imposed again!!!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I am so glad I asked. I love this type of study. There is so much more to the word of God than we get with a simple cursory reading.

Yes it is an awesome study! Thanks for bringing this issue up.

[mfblume]

Here is something to ponder. Heb 8 speaks of the FIRST COVENANT waxing old and ready to vanish, and Heb 1 speaks of the HEAVENS AND EARTH waxing old.

Heb 8:13 KJV In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 1:10-12 KJV And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; (12) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Could Hebrews, which is about the BETTER COVENANT, have meant the TWO heavens and earth stand for the covenants? OLD and NEW COVENANTS, and OLD and NEW HEAVENS AND EARTH?

Isa 51:16 KJV And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

[mfblume]

If a person studies the book of HEBREWS, you will find it is all about getting into the most holy place spiritually speaking, as though it is a place of spiritual maturity. Anyone wanting to read an ASTOUNDING study on it, get THE HOLIEST OF ALL by Andrew Murray. It is online free to download.

http://www.archive.org/details/TheHoliestOfAll

IT IS HEAVY reading, be warned. Whew. What depth the guy had about that issue. Excellent stuff!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Here is something to ponder. Heb 8 speaks of the FIRST COVENANT waxing old and ready to vanish, and Heb 1 speaks of the HEAVENS AND EARTH waxing old.

Heb 8:13 KJV In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 1:10-12 KJV And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; (12) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Could Hebrews, which is about the BETTER COVENANT, have meant the TWO heavens and earth stand for the covenants? OLD and NEW COVENANTS, and OLD and NEW HEAVENS AND EARTH?

Isa 51:16 KJV And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

BIG far stretch... but when I read about folding up the garment that had grown old I thought of these scriptures and I wondered if they related at all.

Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

[Digging4Truth]

I taught on a lot of this in my sunday school class today and ended talking toward the end about remaining seated. I talked about how we can handle things on our feet... ie I'm going to handle this mysel... I'll give them a piece of my mind... Just wait until I see them again. Or we can handle this seated... resting... waiting on God to do the work because we don't fight against flesh & blood but against principalities & power. When we fight on our feet we have forgotten that because we are are battling flesh.

Anyway. It was a good lesson and it has made me want to dig further into all of this. I have a lot of studying to do.

Thanks for your thoughts and feel free to share any other thoughts as well. This has been a blessing to me.

[mfblume]

I taught similarly a while back and called the message, "PLEASE REMAIN SEATED SO GOD CAN BRING DOWN YOUR ENEMIES". Title says it all.

[mfblume]

While studying Heb 9, I noticed that the blood of Jesus is really brought to the forefront. We know the holiest was a model of heaven on earth. The high priest went into the figure of the true when he entered the holiest. Jesus went into Heaven itself. But the MODEL on earth of heaven could only be entered once a year for a few minutes by one man from one nation. Hebrews says this indicated that way into the holiest was not available.

It was because of the poor quality of the animal sacrifices that this was so. And that was for 1,500 years they had these things, never ending.

But Jesus sacrificed himself ONCE, and opened up, not the model of heaven on earth, but heaven itself! If the blood of animals could not even get the single nation of Israel into the model of heaven, and Christ's blood opened the way up for all the world of every nation to heaven, itself, how much greater and how perfect is the blood of Jesus?

Heb 9-10 is relating these truths to us so we can see THIS SWORD OF THE WORD cut away our unbelief so we can have boldness to enter the holiest of heaven by a new and living way!

Wow, what kind of perfection did Jesus have to accomplish that?

[Esther]

Something interesting someone pointed out recently, that when the Veil was rent, from the top down, when Jesus was crucified was when the Ark of the Covenant was not behind the Veil.