I am apostolic

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Jesus said that we must worship God in spirit and in truth.

It is having both, spirit and truth.

trinitarians do not have the truth.

The scripture you reference does not imply one must have perfect concept of God.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Jesus said that we must worship God in spirit and in truth.

It is having both, spirit and truth.

trinitarians do not have the truth.

Originally Posted by Amanah

So, if someone is baptized in Jesus Name, and receives the HG, speaking in tongues, but their concept of God is that there is a Father, Son and Holy Ghost, are they saved or lost?

I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

The scripture you reference does not imply one must have perfect concept of God.

how about these scriptures, do you think they are enough?

1. "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39

2. "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me" Isaiah
43:10

3. "I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me" Isaiah
44:6

4. "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none"
Isaiah 44:8

5. "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God" Isaiah 45:5

6. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else" Isaiah 45:18

7. "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me" Isaiah 45:21

8. "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me"
Isaiah 46:9

Trinitarians refuse to accept the fact that God has said that he is one. no matter how many times God himself says that he is one. In essence they are calling God a liar. And we know that liars shall be cast into the lake of Fire.
Either God is lying (and he has to send himself into the lake of fire) or trinitarians are lying.
So no I do not accept their displays of worship as fully authentic. (Good fakers, almost good enough to deceive OP)

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sam

what is "the truth"?

Here is the truth

There is only one God

1 "There is no one like Yahweh our God" Exodus 8:10
2 "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him" Deuteronomy 4:35
3 "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other"
Deuteronomy 4:39
4 "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
5 "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one!" Deuteronomy 6:4
6 "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God
besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
7 "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel
22:32
8 "Yahweh is God; there is no one else" 1 Kings 8:60
9 "You are the God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth" 2 Kings 19:15
10 "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1
Chronicles 17:20
11 "You alone are Yahweh" Nehemiah 9:6
12 "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31
13 "You alone, Lord, are God" Isaiah 37:20
14 "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me" Isaiah
43:10
15 "`I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me" Isaiah
44:6
16 "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none"
Isaiah 44:8
17 "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God" Isaiah 45:5
18 "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God" Isaiah 45:14
19 "I am Yahweh, and there is none else" Isaiah 45:18
20 "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God
and a Savior; There is none except Me" Isaiah 45:21
21 "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me"
Isaiah 46:9
22 "And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the
only one, and His name the only one" Zechariah 14:9
23 ""The foremost is, `Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; " Mark
12:29
24 "You do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?" John 5:44
25 "I and the Father are one" John 10:30
26 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God" John 17:3
27 "Since indeed God is one" Romans 3:30
28 "To the only wise God, Amen" Romans 16:27
29 "There is no God but one" 1 Corinthians 8:4
30 "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we
exist for Him;" 1 Corinthians 8:6
31 "Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one" Galatians
3:20
32 "There is one body and one Spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one
baptism, one God and Father of all" Ephesians 4:4-6
33 "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God" 1 Timothy 1:17
34 "He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of
lords" 1 Timothy 6:16
35 "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus" 1 Timothy 2:5
36 "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and
shudder" James 2:19
37 "For certain persons deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ" Jude 4
38 "The only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord" Jude 25

I hope you did not overdose in all these "truth".

[Amanah]

the argument is not that there is One God. Most of us believe that.
the point is that there are more then one manifestations of the One God, and the language that our finite minds use to convey one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is above all and thru all and in you all may be imperfect.

But, if we repent and are baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, and filled with the Holy Ghost, even if our understanding is as seeing thru a glass darkly, have we not still obeyed the gospel?

[TGBTG]

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him.

If trinitarians are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him

If oneness are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him.

So who's obeying God? oneness or trinnies?

Let's be honest with ourselves:

1. The restoration of the gifts in the early 20th century started with trinitarians.
2. It was trinitarians which coined the "initial evidence doctrine"

Sure, God has revealed more truth about the doctrine of the Godhead, this doesn't mean someone who does not understand it is not saved.

The early pioneers of today's oneness churches were TRINITARIANS at some point.
They were saved. It was while walking with God they received FURTHER REVELATION.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him.

If trinitarians are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him

If oneness are receiving the Holy Ghost, God obviously sees them as obeying him.

So who's obeying God? oneness or trinnies?

Let's be honest with ourselves:

1. The restoration of the gifts in the early 20th century started with trinitarians.
2. It was trinitarians which coined the "initial evidence doctrine"

Sure, God has revealed more truth about the doctrine of the Godhead, this doesn't mean someone who does not understand it is not saved.

The early pioneers of today's oneness churches were TRINITARIANS at some point.
They were saved. It was while walking with God they received FURTHER REVELATION.

God used a donkey, and that donkey wasn't saved. If God used a donkey, surely God can use an unsaved trinitarian too!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

God used a donkey, and that donkey wasn't saved. If God used a donkey, surely God can use an unsaved trinitarian too!

I think you missed the scripture I quoted:

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

This scripture states God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him. So why did God gives the trinitarians of Azuza street the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking with tongues?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I think you missed the scripture I quoted:

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

This scripture states God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him. So why did God gives the trinitarians of Azuza street the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking with tongues?

Matthew 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Nicodemus acknowledged in order to produce supernatural miracles, one must be endued with power from on high. Also, Peter in Acts 1:8 stated, "ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you"

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Now, to answer your question. These people in Matt 7 that performed miracles, prophesied, cast out devils, surely they were obedient, yes? Also, surely they recieved the Holy Ghost, yes? That would conclude they spoke in tongues, yes? Yet, they will be lost for eternity even though they were used? So it is with these Azusa street trinitarians.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I am Apostolic in that I accept and agree to the doctrine of the Apostles. That does include the Oneness message and Acts 2:38. However it is not limited to just that. Oneness Pentecostals may not be truly "Apostolic" in everything they need to be.

Great post.