Dispensatioal Premil vs Historic Premil - Page 3

houston · #21 12-14-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

This is how I believe. That is where the resurrected saints (I certainly hope to be one) will "be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years". It will be during this time that Christ will reign on earth with His saints. This is my view and the view of most premillenialists.

Thing is, you reign on planet earth and the nations continue with life, not skipping a beat, THEN Satan is loosed. GOG-MAGOG drama takes place, THEN the white throne judgement takes place.

I think that it's weird to have us ruling on earth with Jesus, I mean, it's weird that the nations are not judged before we reign on earth.

On the other hand, ressurrected martyrs are reigning now. Maybe there is a symbological or spiritual application that I missed.

kclee4jc · #22 12-14-2011, 08:38 PM

The beast and those that have taken the mark already have received their fate at this point, correct? It seems we would be reigning over those Jews that have not taken the mark, who came to Christ at the mount of olives before Armegeddon. Armegeddon takes place before the millenium.

kclee4jc · #23 12-14-2011, 08:44 PM

I'm out for the night. I will read up on the Amillenialist view tomorrow. I've studied it before but it's been a while. There is a lot of scripture from the OT prophesyin about this period of time as well. I can't fathom it being spiritual symbolism. I believe it has to be a real period of time.

Still no one has discussed Dispensational vs Historic Premil!!!

I think maybe premillenialists are a minority on this forum..

houston · #24 12-14-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

The beast and those that have taken the mark already have received their fate at this point, correct? It seems we would be reigning over those Jews that have not taken the mark, who came to Christ at the mount of olives before Armegeddon. Armegeddon takes place before the millenium.

Reigning over Jews? Careful, someone may label you an anti-shemite. Let's stick with Rev 20. WHO are the nations that Satan deceives into attacking the great city? AND, I just can't get over this, why are the ressurrected sharing a planet with people that have not died? I need to take a seat. I am asking more questions than that guy with fairly odd parents.

Jay · #25 12-14-2011, 09:48 PM

I can take that up I think. The nations made up of those that did not take the mark/survived the reign of the Anti-Christ. The Bible states that these nations will partake of the feast of tabernacles and bring gifts to Jerusalem and Israel. At the end of 1000 years, they will attempt to remove the yoke from their necks, Satan deceiving them into believing that it is possible, and will be destroyed.

Satan is not even going to get to the great white throne. He just gets dumped with the Anti-Christ and False Prophet.

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I'd still like to see someone get a good discussion on about Dispensational versus Historic Premillenialism! lol

I'm hurt. I thought I was doing a good job of it.

As I am closer to the dispensationalist point of view, but knowing very little of the other, I guess that I am not much fun. Oh well. Btw, I had a feeling my leg was being pulled.

houston · #26 12-14-2011, 09:58 PM

verses, please

Jay · #27 12-14-2011, 10:10 PM

Zec_14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec_14:18-19 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.

Rev 20:7-10 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Zepheniah might be talking about the Jewish people, but when going through it before, I thought that i saw it, but it could have been in one of the major prophets. Revelation is the one with the most inclusive, but the others can be verified by going to their chapters, but it is apparent from their context that they must deal with the millinial reign, as there is nothing in history where these things have happened.

kclee4jc · #28 12-15-2011, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

I can take that up I think. The nations made up of those that did not take the mark/survived the reign of the Anti-Christ. The Bible states that these nations will partake of the feast of tabernacles and bring gifts to Jerusalem and Israel. At the end of 1000 years, they will attempt to remove the yoke from their necks, Satan deceiving them into believing that it is possible, and will be destroyed.

Satan is not even going to get to the great white throne. He just gets dumped with the Anti-Christ and False Prophet.

I'm hurt. I thought I was doing a good job of it.

As I am closer to the dispensationalist point of view, but knowing very little of the other, I guess that I am not much fun. Oh well. Btw, I had a feeling my leg was being pulled.

No offense my brother! I just wanna hear from both sides! lol

Jay · #29 12-15-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kclee4jc

No offense my brother! I just wanna hear from both sides! lol

I know that, and I was putting on. I know that I am not well enough acquainted with the particulars of each to be good at discussing the merits of the one verses the other. Especially as I do not recall hearing anything about historic premillinialism before you mentioned it. I do enjoy hearing various parts of view myself, and hope that someone responds aside from me. That would help me to 'see, hear, or learn some new thing'.